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Kenmore Catalyst Won't Drain/Spin on Rinse cycle


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#1 jdm

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Posted 14 June 2005 - 10:45 AM

I have a Kenmore Elite Catalyst (Model # 110.20052993)that won't spin or drain on the rinse cycle).

It works fine thru the wash cycle (spins & drains), but when it gets to the Rinse, it locks up. I hear a large Click when I start a Drain/Spin cycle at this point. After a period of time (approx. 6-24 hrs), it usally will let me drain it thru the Drain/Spin function.

I don't know if it's too much weight in the machine. Any help/advise would be greatly appreciated!!

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Posted 14 June 2005 - 12:39 PM

Seems strange this washer would drain/spin for the wash and not for the rinse.  Could be a transmission locking up but would not be ok after 6 hours.  Could be a motor overheating and locking up but does not seem like it would take 6 hours to cool down.  This is a Whirlpool washer mfd. aprox 11/99 with 2 way valves, check valve, and motor time delay board, but do not believe this board would cause this.  Perhaps others might have an idea what would be locking this up and then releasing after a long period of time.
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Posted 16 June 2005 - 12:34 AM

What I used to see a lot of on these was the recirculation valve locking up and instead of spinning, keeping on pumping water back into the tub. Usually, it jams and stays there.

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Posted 16 June 2005 - 07:51 AM

Thank you VERY MUCH for the additional input. I was getting afraid I wasn't going to get any. The Wife is getting pretty impatient (as we have 5 kids & lot of laundry).

I will try what you've suggested when I get home from work tonight. I don't think that the water is being pumped back into the tub though. During the wash cycle, the only time it spins is when it's draining (and does drain completely). I thought I remembered it spinning during the wash cycle while it was adding water, but the Wife tells me I'm CRAZYjavascript:emoticon (':yikes:', 'images/emoticons/additional/yikes.gif').

When it moves into the Rinse cycle, it fills for about 3-5 min (again, no spinning) until the water stops filling and then does nothing (and then it's locked until a period of time). I don't think it ever completes the rinse cycle.

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Posted 16 June 2005 - 08:04 AM

[user=1319]jdm[/user] wrote:

 I thought I remembered it spinning during the wash cycle while it was adding water, but the Wife tells me I'm CRAZY

 

You're not....this machine does that to recirculate the water. When you say it "locks up", what exactly happens...won't it respond to the controls? Anything on the display, any numbers/letters showing, any other lights on?

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Posted 16 June 2005 - 08:20 AM

- All normal lights are on (based on type of wash cycle selected).
- Numbers on the display & continues to count down.
- water fills but nothing spins until filling is complete, then it goes into the agitation mode (seems to agitate properly).
- During Spin cycle same thing, but gets to a point where it won't drain (but does drain during wash). Sorry to repeat myself.

Thanks again for taking the time!!


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Posted 16 June 2005 - 05:15 PM

OK,

So.... I got home and removed the screws securing the console. Underneath the console was a diagnositc guide. I ran all diags as described. All diags passed except for while running the Recirculation Pressure Switch Test.

From the beginning of the test the display panel read Er solid and did not oscillate between Er & t2 (the guide stated if this was the display reading, the Recirculation Pressure Switch or Tubing may be faulty).

Once I pressed REGULER again (to cycle thru the remaining test on that cycle) display changed to t2 and it seemed to perform remaining tests properly.

Could the Recirculation Pressure Switch cause these symptoms?? If so, can you tell me where it's located? Couldn't find it in the parts list I have.

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Posted 16 June 2005 - 05:58 PM

OK... OK...

I think Grasshopper is all wet:withstupid: I re-performed the diags and the Recirculation Pressure Switch seemed to operate correctly (as it toggled between t2 and Er - mostly Er). So I decided to try and run it thru a complete cycle to see if it locked-up again. And of course it did! :rocketman:

I then tried to run the diags again. What would you know... NONE of them worked (except for water fill). No agitate, No spin, No recirculation, No drain.

I read farther into the diag guide & under the Motor & Motor Control System tests, it states to run the Neutral Drain/Spin Test in diag section. If while doing so:
- A HUMMING sound is heard & motor fails to spin basket.
- Set of things to check (Starer CAP #1)
- A CLICKING sound is heard & motor fails to spin basket.
- Check centrifugal switch at motor
- If failed replace motor
- If OK replace start module

What I hear when it's in a locked state is a LARGE Click (not clicking), and then no sound until canceling the cycle, then another large click (and sounds like whatever was binding released - until starting it again which results in another LARGE Click).

Can it be the Motor or Start Module?? Is there a way I could easily test? If not could I get specific instructions??

Am I all-over the MAP & LOST, or heading in the right direction??

:huh:

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Posted 16 June 2005 - 07:31 PM

Suggest you have a read at this.
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