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Kenmore dishwasher 665.19532000


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#1 Larryh

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Posted 26 July 2005 - 04:37 AM

The control panel does not light up and does not function.  The digital readout is blank with no error code.  I have tested the switch and thermal fuse.  I  have replaced the control board with no change in the problem.  I have 119.4 volts across the brown and white wire at the control board.

Can anyone help?

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Posted 26 July 2005 - 01:26 PM

Might be able to help you if you give a valid model number.

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Posted 26 July 2005 - 04:07 PM

The correct model # is 665.15932000.  Sorry  for the error.

Larry


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Posted 26 July 2005 - 04:17 PM

No problem. You'll need to replace the control panel. Common problem with these dishwashers. This is the white one:

http://www.repaircli...?R=154&N=922469

If yours is black or graphite, let me know-- they're a little cheaper.

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 01:39 PM

I purchased the Control  Panel from your store in Canton, MI as you suggested and installed it.  I turned the dishwasher on "normal cycle" without dishes to test it out.  It seemed to work ok for the first part of the cycle and then it stopped with the clean cycle light blinking in a cycle of seven blinks.  There is water remaining in the tub.  It will not accept any commands.  I turned the power off at the breaker for over one minute but the clean light started blinking again. When I push the cancel/drain button the light shows 2 but does nothing and goes out after 2 minutes.

Please HELP.

Larry


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Posted 30 July 2005 - 01:48 PM

Well, progress! Sounds like it might have gotten put into demo mode somehow during installation. To get out of demo mode, enter this sequence: high temp - air dry - air dry - high temp.

Some questions for you:

Did the panel come with an instruction sheet for installing it and setting it up?

Did you cut power to the dishwasher while you were installing the panel?

Your comments sound as though you drove to Canton, MI, and picked up the part. Is that the case?


edited to add demo mode exit key sequence.

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 05:16 PM

I tried "hi temp, air dry, air dry, hi temp" with no change

There were no instructions included in the module.

I did not cut the power when I installed the control module, but the door switch was open so no power should have been going to the module.

I did pick up the control module in Canton, MI.  We live in Belleville, about four miles away.

I appreciate your support, I hope you can help.

Added Info-Sears did replace the pump assembly about 1-2  years ago under warranty. 

Thanks for your quick reply,

Larry

 

 


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Posted 30 July 2005 - 05:19 PM

Since you live that close to the physical store, drive down there and talk to the parts guy, tell him what's happening. Still sounds like demo mode to me. He may have a different key sequence for you.

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 05:44 PM


[align=left]
 [/align]
[align=left]WHIRLPOOL AND KITCHENAID TALL TUB[/align]
[align=left]DISHWASHER[/align]

[align=left]K8178496[/align]
[align=left]January 2005[/align]

[align=left]The clean LED blinks seven times and the dishwasher[/align]
[align=left]ceases to operate. This condition can also apply to a[/align]
[align=left]dishwasher that has had the electronic control replaced.[/align]
[align=left]A heater fault detection program has been added to the[/align]
[align=left]electronic control to check for temperature rise and shut[/align]
[align=left]down the dishwasher if a temperature rise is not detected.[/align]
[align=left]The cycles have been modified to add 8 minutes 45[/align]
[align=left]seconds of fixed heat at the beginning of the main wash.[/align]
[align=left]The control looks for the temperatures at the thermistor to[/align]
[align=left]increase 4 degrees with cooler (roughly <110° F) inlet water[/align]
[align=left]and 2 degrees when there is hot (roughly >110° F) inlet[/align]
[align=left]water. If the temperature rise is less than the criteria, then[/align]
[align=left]the unit will drain and blink the clean light 7 times. The[/align]
[align=left]detection will be ignored if the temperature is out of its[/align]
[align=left]normal range, 64° - 160° F, or the door is opened during[/align]
[align=left]the fixed heat.[/align]
[align=left]Proper incoming water temperature should be between 120°[/align]
[align=left]- 140° F.[/align]
[align=left]Possible causes of insufficient temperature rise would[/align]
[align=left]include wires off at the control, heating element, thermistor,[/align]
[align=left]inlet valve, door switch, motor or capacitor, failure of any[/align]
[align=left]of the above components or siphoning of the water during[/align]
[align=left]fill.[/align]

[align=left]Whirlpool Models: DU1050XTP, DU1100XTP, DU1101XTP, DU1145XTP, DU1148XTP, DUC600XTP,[/align]
[align=left]DUL240XTP, GU2400XTP, GU2500XTP, GU2548XTP, GU2600XTP, GU3200XTP[/align]
[align=left]KitchenAid Models: KUDx01-6 where x could be any letter.[/align]
[align=left]Serial Code date: ALL[/align]

[align=left]CLEAN LED BLINKS 7 TIMES[/align]

[align=left]Once a heater fault is detected and the condition resolved[/align]
[align=left]the electronic control must be reset by initiating a service[/align]
[align=left]diagnostic cycle.
NOTE: Using the RAPID ADVANCE[/align]
[align=left]CYCLE will cause the blinking LED condition to reoccur[/align]
[align=left]because there is insufficient time to heat the water.[/align]

[align=left]Check the product Tech Sheet for the correct cycle[/align]
[align=left]sequence.[/align]

[align=left] [/align]

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 05:55 PM

Larry, this is a Whirlpool dishwasher with the Kenmore name on it, this service pointer probably addresses your unit.  This tech sheet also goes to your model number.  The breaker should have been turned off when the control board was replaces as you still get voltage when the door is open.  However the service pointer above indicated you had another problem that may have taken out your controls so this board might not be defective at all.  Your control has to be reset after it has been replaced as stated in this tech sheet.  But after the "no heat rise" problem has been repaired!!!  Pegi
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Posted 30 July 2005 - 06:10 PM

Missed that pointer. Thnks, Pegi! :dude:

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 06:37 PM

Quite welcome, I wrote up every single item in SM and put them on the STH data base so I sort of know what all is in there.  ;)
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Posted 31 July 2005 - 02:53 AM

I appreciate the reply, but where should I go from here? 

How do I check out the heat rise problem with the unit in this shut down mode?   Is there a process that I sold go through?  I don't know where most of them are located.

Is it possible that I got a an incorrect sensing because of installing the new parts and the dishwasher has not been used for some time?  Would it make sense to go through the reset process and try it again?

Did I do damage to the new control panel or the electronic board by not turning off the power or does it just have to be reset? 

I am sorry for being a pest, but I really need help in getting this fixed and I appreciate your support.

Thanks

Larry

 

 

 

 

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Posted 31 July 2005 - 03:18 AM

Well, it's like an onion: you peeled away one problem and now there's another layer to work on. This time, you need to troubleshoot the heating circuit.

I'd start by ohming out the heating element. But re-read the service pointer that Pegi posted. Read every single word. Then read it again. Then one more time. Because it tells you in there exactly where to look for the problems.

If you need help making electrical measurements, read this:

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Posted 31 July 2005 - 06:04 AM

You might want to start here with this diag info: is on the tech sheet I posted here.

 

[align=left]RAPID ADVANCE SERVICE[/align]
[align=left]FEATURE AND DIAGNOSTICS[/align]
[align=left]CYCLES[/align]

[align=left]Pressing the following option keys in the sequence shown will[/align]
[align=left]either start the Diagnostics Cycle or turn on the Rapid[/align]
[align=left]Advance feature for stepping through customer selectable[/align]
[align=left]cycles:[/align]

[align=left]HI TEMP SCRUB, AIR DRY, HI TEMP SCRUB, AIR DRY[/align]
[align=left]Or[/align]
[align=left]SANI RINSE, AIR DRY, SANI RINSE, AIR DRY[/align]
[align=left](Note: HI TEMP SCRUB = HI TEMP SCOUR)[/align]
[align=left](Note: AIR DRY = NO HEAT DRY = ENERGY SAVER DRY)[/align]

[align=left]If the above key sequence is entered after starting a cycle,
the[/align]
[align=left]Rapid Advance feature is turned on, which allows the operator[/align]
[align=left]to manually advance the currently running cycle, interval by[/align]
[align=left]interval, by pressing the Pots&Pans/Heavy or Anti-Bacteria/[/align]
[align=left]Cookware or Start key.[/align]

[align=left]If the above key sequence is entered with the dishwasher in[/align]
[align=left]Standby,
the Diagnostics Cycle is started. The Diagnostics Cycle[/align]
[align=left]can be rapid-advanced, interval by interval, by pressing[/align]
[align=left]the Pots&Pans/Heavy or Anti-Bacteria/Cookware or Start key.[/align]
[align=left]Note: The door must be closed before the Diagnostics cycle[/align]
[align=left]will run. Likewise, the door must be closed after each rapid[/align]
[align=left]advance selection of the P&P/Heavy, A-Bac/Cookware, or[/align]
[align=left]Start key for the control to advance to the next interval of the[/align]
[align=left]Diagnostics or currently running cycle.[/align]

[align=left]DIAGNOSTICS CYCLE TIME CHART[/align]
[align=left]NOTES[/align]

[align=left]NOTE 1 – R/A SENSOR ASSEMBLY CHECK[/align]

[align=left]To help detect a failed or misconnected Rinse Aid level[/align]
[align=left]sensor, the control should operate the Rinse Aid Empty LED[/align]
[align=left]in Diagnostics as it does during any other cycle.[/align]

[align=left]NOTE 2 – THERMISTOR OPEN/SHORT DETECTION[/align]

[align=left]The Diagnostics Test cycle will illuminate the ‘CLEAN’ LED[/align]
[align=left]throughout the operating portion of the cycle that follows the[/align]
[align=left]initial display test interval whenever it detects a “short circuit”[/align]
[align=left]or “open circuit” on the thermistor input.[/align]
[align=left]Note: Warm water must be in the dishwasher when[/align]
[align=left]performing this test. The highest thermistor resistance values[/align]
[align=left]the control can detect as its open circuit criteria are close to[/align]
[align=left]the normal thermistor resistance at room temperature.[/align]
[align=left]Consequently, this indicator is only reliable for “open circuit”[/align]
[align=left]detection if warm water is in the dishwasher.[/align]

[align=left]NOTE 3 – STUCK PRESSURE SWITCH DETECTION[/align]

[align=left]The Diagnostics cycle monitors the normally open soilsensing[/align]
[align=left]pressure switch input for a “stuck closed” condition[/align]
[align=left]by aborting wash interval 3 and skipping immediately to drain[/align]
[align=left]interval 1 if the control detects a closed pressure switch.[/align]

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Posted 31 July 2005 - 12:00 PM

I have made the following tests:

The heater res. is 9.7ohm

The HI Temp thermostat is .5 ohm.

The thermistor is 64.6 k ohm.

Thest tests were done at room temp. (72.deg F).

All wiring appears to be connected properly.

Do these readings appear to be ok ?

When I tried the "RAPID ADVANCE SERVICE AND DIAGNOSTICS CYCLES"  it went through the full Pots & Pans cycle but I was unable to advance it manally.  The clean light did not blink.  However, it does not seem to be heating and it is not pumping out the water. We has soap suds on the floor and water inside after the cycle was completed.  The cancel/drain function did not help. The water is circulating during the cycle.

 Any further suggestions?  I can stop by the Canton, MI store with a copy of these e-mails if this would be better.

Thanks for your support, I haven't given up yet.

Larry

 

 


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Posted 01 August 2005 - 02:08 PM

Pegi,

This is Larryh.  I sent an e-mail yesterday evening.  I am still not able to get the Kenmore dishwasher to pump out or heat.  The tach. at the Canton, MI store gave me some circuit diagrams and technical write-ups but did not have much advise. I don't seem to be getting voltage at the drain pump connection.  I have spent over $200 on this machine, but I may have to un-install it and replace it with another dshwasher if I can't resolve these last two problems. 

I appreciate your previous help and and would be interested ain any additional suggestions.

Thanks Again

Larry


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Posted 01 August 2005 - 04:47 PM

Hummmm, sorry I did not receive any e-mail from you. I do not know what to tell you except call a tech to come and see what has happened, would be impossible to see what is going on when cannot access the unit in person.  Would suggest you call a W/P service person out to see where the problem is. 
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