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Fisher & Paykel E522B fridge/freezer


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#1 colinpeck

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 06:41 AM

My Fisher & Paykel E522B upside down fridge does not work/cool.

When switched on, the compressor does not run at all. Compressor only makes very ocassional dull clicking noises, but never actually kicks in. It (the compressor) is warm to the touch.

When the door to the fridge compartment is opened the refridgerator light comes on as expected. Despite the fridge not cooling/functioning there appear to be no error lights flashing an error code, instead these green lights are on and steady (as previously set at the minimum temperature).

I was thinking that the problem might be due to the power control module, but if that were so wouldn't the fault lights indicate an error code of some sort ?

Suggestions please from anyone familiar with this model.

Many thanks in hopeful anticipation


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Posted 25 April 2010 - 07:09 AM

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 06:21 PM

This is a variable capacity compressor and has an inverter board that controls the speed. Not an ordinary compressor with a start device.
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Posted 25 April 2010 - 11:06 PM

Doesn't the service manual (PM'd 4/10) help ?
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Posted 26 April 2010 - 12:55 AM

[user=3641]RegUS_PatOff[/user] wrote:

Doesn't the service manual (PM'd 4/10) help ? 

Thanks very much for sending that, it was really appreciated :). I think that I did thank you for it at the time you sent it, but if I didn't my apologies, and a big thank you now.

I did go through it, but didn't really find the symptoms I have. The manual covers in great detail the various fault codes, but I don't appear to have any fault codes.

The manual kind of suggests that I replace the inverter module with a good one, and then if the compressor still doesn't work that I replace the power control module and see if it works then. (Section 10.13). There are two main problems 1) I'm fairly ignorant regarding refridgerators and 2) as far as I can see, I do not have an inverter module as shown in the photograph. In the photograph this is shown as a standalone module. But in my fridge the wires go directly from the power control module to the small input box attached to the side of the compressor. Is it possible that in my particular fridge/model  the inverter has been somehow incorporated into the power control module ?

Unfortunately I made the mistake of buying this item second hand in January. I have never had a single days use out of it. As soon as I plugged it in the freezer section appeared to cool but not the fridge. I subsequently found that the Freezer compartment fan was blown (however at no time did I ever see a fault code to indicate this!). At that time the compressor ran from time to time, and there was one hot tube and one cold tube going/coming from it (a good sign). Then a few days later when power resumed after an power outage I discovered that the compressor did not run at all, and obviously neither compartment was cooling. I stripped it down and found the freezer compartment fan did not function. I have replaced this, but there's no difference to the current problem with the compressor not running. Now I'm led to think that the inverter may need replacing but there doesn't appear to be one!!! I'm not sure whether to send this piece of junk to the scrapyard, or struggle on and try and repair it, or get a F& P repairman out (this would end up with me paying almost as much as a new fridge !). I'm hoping for option 2 but don't know how to proceed, and the F & P parts are not cheap as I'm sure you know.  HELP please before I hari kari myself :(

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Posted 26 April 2010 - 01:44 AM

It seems not all models of Fisher Paykel E522B have the Variable Capacity Compressor with the Inverter.

Are you in the U.S.A. ?

 

 

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Posted 26 April 2010 - 06:09 AM

[user=3641]RegUS_PatOff[/user] wrote:

It seems not all models of Fisher Paykel E522B have the Variable Capacity Compressor with the Inverter.

Are you in the U.S.A. ?

 

 

No I'm located in Western Australia

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Posted 27 April 2010 - 07:10 PM

sounds like you have a possibly a bad relay , not common but can hapen

minimum worst case call f&p cost $121 from there you know where you stand

relay isnt too expensive , if control module needed then thats about $150

whats the serial number ? can tell the age

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 05:12 AM

[user=53802]J5[/user] wrote:

sounds like you have a possibly a bad relay , not common but can hapen

minimum worst case call f&p cost $121 from there you know where you stand

relay isnt too expensive , if control module needed then thats about $150

whats the serial number ? can tell the age


Could you explain to me what the relay is and where its located please, I was unable to find reference to a relay in the manual, but I may not have loooked hard enough.

The model is E522B, and the serial number is ALC 783130.  I double checked - it is a C and not a Q as might be expected for Australian manufacture, although the top of the S/N plate does have "Fisher and Paykel Australia" written on it. I presume the S/N indicates that the unit was built December 1998 because its certainly older than 2008.


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Posted 28 April 2010 - 05:27 AM

This is a generic start/run relay but yours may look something like it.

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 06:34 AM

The Start Relay is on the Compressor.

What's your Compressor Brand and Model number ?

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Posted 29 April 2010 - 03:00 AM

yes dec 1998 C for cleveland queensland

relay is on the compressor

it is prob 1st of the active smart which is really getting on in age anyway and the freezer fan if the early large style , flat doors , fan is no longer available

not comon but have seen siezed compressors and yes maybe a controller issue as well

life is 10-15 years , seems like you are there


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Posted 29 April 2010 - 04:15 AM

[user=3641]RegUS_PatOff[/user] wrote:

The Start Relay is on the Compressor.

What's your Compressor Brand and Model number ?


The compressor Model is DB91C19RAY5 made by

MATSUSHITA ELECTRIC IND SINGAPORE


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Posted 29 April 2010 - 04:28 AM

[user=53802]J5[/user] wrote:

yes dec 1998 C for cleveland queensland

relay is on the compressor

it is prob 1st of the active smart which is really getting on in age anyway and the freezer fan if the early large style , flat doors , fan is no longer available

not comon but have seen siezed compressors and yes maybe a controller issue as well

life is 10-15 years , seems like you are there


Yes the freezer fan is slightly larger than the fridge compartment fan, and the freezer fan is the one that does not work (amongst other things).

This isn't good news at all, but thanks anyway. The scrapyard is looking more attractive by the day :X


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Posted 29 April 2010 - 04:59 AM

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.....which is really getting on in age anyway and the freezer fan if the early large style , flat doors , fan is no longer available ....



I hadn't actually noted the difference in fan sizes until I read your comment above  and went and checked. The replacement fan I obtained (which is the same size as the refridgerator compartment fan) is in fact significantly smaller than the freezer compartment fan. Had I attempted to install the fan in the freezer back panel I would have realised this, but instead I simply had the replacement fan dangling from its connector to see if the appliance now worked or not (the fan turned, albeit the wrong size, but the problem with the compressor not running remained). So.....if I cannot get a replacement fan for the freezer due to non availability,  it would appear that I am doomed regardless of what other repairs might be possible  :shock::shock::shock::X

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Posted 29 April 2010 - 06:00 AM

[user=65363]colinpeck[/user] wrote:

[user=3641]RegUS_PatOff[/user] wrote:

The Start Relay is on the Compressor.

What's your Compressor Brand and Model number ?

The compressor Model is DB91C19RAY5 made by

MATSUSHITA ELECTRIC IND SINGAPORE


these may be your part numbers:

part # 209988       RELAY PTC D SERIES MM8-5DDT33M

part # 209084       O/LOAD MM3-28GCF

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Posted 29 April 2010 - 07:15 PM

[user=3641]RegUS_PatOff[/user] wrote:


these may be your part numbers:

part # 209988       RELAY PTC D SERIES MM8-5DDT33M

part # 209084       O/LOAD MM3-28GCF


Thanks very much. Are these part numbers Fisher and Paykel numbers, or Matsushita numbers ?





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