Posted 22 April 2005 - 04:46 PM
Here's the deal. Over the past couple of weeks, the timer has seemed to not work correctly. She has to continually pull and push it and turn it to get the machine to start. Sometimes she beats the control panel, and then it will work. Tonight, no matter where she turns its, pushes and pulls it, it won't start. It has filled up with water, and stopped.
I took the control panel apart, separted the timer from the rest, and took the plastic shield off the sides of the timer. Inside the timer, it appears that one of the music box like things is snapped off and missing, so that when the one thin metal bar that rides over the plastic bump is pushed up, it doesn't make contact with the top one. The top one is no where to be found, but there is a quarter-inch remnant where one should be.
I don't know if the problem could be caused by something other than the timer, and I've seen ads for the timer motor, but I have no clue what that is. I don't want to buy the wrong part. I did check to see if the fuses were busted from the severe beatings the panel was taking, but they appear to be intact.
Please help before she turns her anger on me!
Posted 22 April 2005 - 05:04 PM
Posted 22 April 2005 - 05:29 PM
So I disconnected the tube from what looks like the switch, and some air escaped with some white stuff? Anyway, put it all back together, and it still won't drain, it just keeps trying to fill.
What next, o wise one?
Posted 22 April 2005 - 05:58 PM
Okay, so I disconnected the factory hose to the pressure switch, and connected my own hose. When I blow into the switch, it clicks, and when I stop blowing, it clicks again. Blowing will stop the washer from filling, and when I stop blowing, it starts filling again. Even when blowing hard (ok, stop laughing) the washer will still not go into spin or drain mode. It just wants to keep filling up.
Posted 22 April 2005 - 06:14 PM
Posted 22 April 2005 - 06:34 PM
BUT I have no idea how to read that wiring diagram. I have the original (same as you posted) and am looking at the control panel, but nothing seems to make sense. I cannot find anything that looks remotely similar to the diagram. Surely there is something I am missing. I have no idea how to find those pins.
This is probably becoming tedious for you, so I apologize for my inadequacies.
Posted 22 April 2005 - 06:38 PM
You DO have a multimeter, don't you?
Posted 22 April 2005 - 06:57 PM
And yes, I do have a multimeter, although the damn little screw that holds the bastard together dropped out and into the tub full of water...but it still works.
Okay...from Grey to Yellow--doesn't ohm until I blow, then ohms strong.
Grey to brown, ohms instantly, then when I blow, stops ohming.
Hope this helps.
Posted 22 April 2005 - 07:24 PM
I think it keeps wanting to fill now because you took the air tube off the pressure switch. When you re-attached it with water already in the tub, there's no pressure in the tube to make the switch change over so it keeps the valves energized. Even if you advance the timer to spin, the pressure switch keeps the motor from being energized and no spin.
You need to jumper the gray wire to the yellow wire on the pressure switch; remove the brown wire. This will let you spin out the washer to empty it. When it's empty, re-attach the air tube and LEAVE IT ALONE.
Once we get back to a condition that's not confounded by user-induced problems, we can resume tracking down the original problem.
Posted 22 April 2005 - 07:26 PM
Laughing hard at your bio. Not that its laughable, but because I did a year at Clemson in 1991, Johnstone D. Will report back soon!
Thanks thanks and more thanks.
Posted 22 April 2005 - 08:04 PM
What now master?
Posted 23 April 2005 - 03:47 AM
Easiest way to tell is by using a non-contact voltage light stick. You can get one at a good hardware store for less than $20. Fits in your shirt pocket and if you touch it to an insulated wire with voltage in it, it lights up.
Posted 23 April 2005 - 07:12 AM
Picked up a Greenlee non-contact voltage light stick- 14.95
With the timer running, the light beeps and flashes on all the wires from the timer, to the switches. I took off the front panel, and the light stick flashes and beeps around the copper coils of the motor, and also beeps and flashes on all the wires leading into the motor.
I'm feeling that this isn't a good sign. Waiting for more wisdom from the appliance guru.
Posted 23 April 2005 - 07:43 AM
Picked up a Greenlee non-contact voltage light stick- 14.95
Ok, we need to be doubly-woubly fer-shure about this 'cuz this is the difference between a bad motor or a bad timer; more a difference in headache of repair rather than part cost.
I took off the front panel, and the light stick flashes and beeps around the copper coils of the motor, and also beeps and flashes on all the wires leading into the motor.
I'll assume your test is valid and that we're getting voltage to the motor. But we don't know if we have a return path on the neutral leg. This is made through the Number 6 contacts on the timer.
With the pressure switch still jumped out, the timer set to spin, and the washer turned on to run, unplug the washer. Get your ohm meter, verify that it's working properly, review this information on making continuity tests, and test the continuity of timer pin 32 (red wire) to pin 16 (yellow wire). If it's open, you got a bad timer, slam dunk.
Posted 23 April 2005 - 08:17 AM
Got out the multimeter, checked that it was working. I removed wiring harness from timer, identified the pins 16 and 32 coming out of the timer, put one point of multimeter on 16, the other point of mm on 32. The needle didn't budge. To be sure, I checked continuity across other pins, and there were pins that made the needle move.
Did I do this right? I'm 95% certain that I found the right pins by using a combo of the color, the diagram, and the fact that the wires had 16 and 32 on the insulation.
Mucho thanks patient Samurai!
Edit- Crud, I just checked repairclinic.com and the timer is on backorder....UG.
Posted 23 April 2005 - 03:38 PM
Beer money will come your way!
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