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#1 Tim M

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 10:50 AM

Of course it's behaved for the last 3 washes before I got here. Before that the timer would stop at 6:00 and it would continue to run for hours.

Input water was only 104°F, but when I was here it drew 11Amps and heated up no problem. It's a hand crank timer, so I don't know if there is a solder joint in a circuit board to look at.

Intermittent problems are hard to diagnose, so I could use some help.

Thanks.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 11:30 AM

Hmmm. Bosch dishwasher service manual doesn't seem to have a wiring diagram for this one.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 11:42 AM

Hmmm. Bosch dishwasher service manual doesn't seem to have a wiring diagram for this one.

SHU 40
pages 111, 112, 113
(PDF pages 113, 114, 115)

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 12:10 PM

The temp sensor on top of the dispenser was loose. When I disconnected that I got it to hang up, but that doesn't mean that was the original problem.

Reg_US, was that supposed to be a clickable link?

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 12:57 PM

Hmmm. Bosch dishwasher service manual doesn't seem to have a wiring diagram for this one.

SHU 40
pages 111, 112, 113
(PDF pages 113, 114, 115)

The temp sensor on top of the dispenser was loose. When I disconnected that I got it to hang up, but that doesn't mean that was the original problem.

Reg_US, was that supposed to be a clickable link?


No, he referencing the pages in the manual that you indicated you already have.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 01:33 PM

If that's the 119 page Bosch Dishwasher Service Manual or the 144 page Training Manual, it doesn't seem to be the one for a 4002. The complete guide had something similar, but still some wire colors were incorrect.

Anyway, it doesn't matter if I can't get it to reproduce the problem.


Could a low household water temperature of 104°F be bad enough to make it hang indefinitely? Couldn't it heat even cold water up to temp eventually, making it run for an extra hour, but not an extra 12, like it reportedly has been doing?

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 02:42 PM

that would be ... of the 144 page manual
OK try these:

Bosch dw SH1 Repair.pdf 5 MB
bosch_shu.pdf 10 MB
bosch-wiring-diagrams.pdf 11 MB
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Posted 13 January 2012 - 11:50 AM

Cleaned the gunk off the sensor over the dispenser. Mucked around a good deal, but nothing definitive. I hadn't charged, since I wasn't sure I'd fixed anything. After weeks of performing correctly, I accepted payment on the homeowner's insistence.

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 06:31 PM

Drat!

Now I've got two of these doing this. Both are intermittent problems, so it's hard to test. On both the timers hang up in the wash cycle and won't let it finish. Likely heater circuit. There's no control board, it has a timer:

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So I'm sure that it isn't the usual unsoldered heater relay.


So if I can't get it to do it while I am there, what can I do? Replace something and hope for the best?

Now it could be the selector switch
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but there is nothing visually wrong with that.


On one of them I tested the regulator
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but that seemed okay.


The only thing left is the PTC/Hi limit

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that could be intermittent.

The element itself couldn't be intermittent, I don't think. Wiring harness could be, but not the most likely.


What have you seen go on these that I should be considering? With two Bosch dishwashers on good old-fashioned timers doing the same thing, I'm sure it's something that happens all the time.



Thanks for all your help.
Tim

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 07:07 PM

The wiring harness goes underneath inside a black plastic sheath.
I had one of these recently with a similar problem.
A large white wire inside the sheath was nearly broken.
I cut the wire and put it back together with a buut splice.
It has worked fine since.
After opening the wire sheath I felt the wires and felt abnormal heat from the wires.
Touching and feeling resulted in a wire feeling bulged.
That was my bad wire.
Open the sheath on the front lower left where the wires go underneath and check each wire while running.
Feel for a deformed or warm wire.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 12:08 PM

At least one of them has the newer, plastic hinge for the wires to run through. I opened it up and didn't find anything at that time, though so far it is the only thing I have to try on the next visit.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 08:48 PM

You ever get this one figured out?

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 07:28 PM

You ever get this one figured out?

No, and I've looked all over the web, and no one else seems to have a clue either.  Found a few posts on it elsewhere, but none with any answers.



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Posted 17 February 2013 - 11:48 AM

Hmmm ladies and gents,

.   New ideas.  I was working on a washing machine recently with a sticky timer/welded contact, that I might have misdiagnosed as something else were it not for the help of these forums.  This morning I was doing my own laundry, and my Staber, which I love, hung up at the usual point where it very occasionally (read intermittent problem) does.  After ruling out the lid lock switch, I've surmised it is most likely the timer, but is so infrequent I haven't done anything about it yet.

 

.   While I was thinking about my Staber, I thought about the other washer, and was thinking about starting a general discussion in these forums on timers and why and how they misbehave.  Then these two Bosch Dishwashers came to mind.  I'm not sure they are both stopping at the same point, though they both have the same result of running too long.  I'm beginning to wonder if it could be the timer itself getting stuck at some point because of a welded contact or otherwise.

 

.    Given how infrequently they both do it, it would be hard to test.  If I replace the part, it would be quite some time before I knew if it was successful. Given that parts bought through this forum can be returned even after they have been installed installed, up to a year later, I'm beginning to wonder about trying it out.


Edited by Tim M, 17 February 2013 - 11:49 AM.


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Posted 06 December 2014 - 11:40 AM

Hey space fans,

 

.    The return of the Bosch Dishwasher with the intermittent hang up, about 2/3 of the way through the cycle if I remember correctly.  Crank timer just hangs there and refuses to advance.  Now 2 years ago it would happen just once in awhile.  That made it hard to diagnose.

 

.    Now I just got a call from him again saying it hadn't happened again for the past two years.  Now it is happening around 80% of the time.  The guy doesn't dare leave his house with the dishwasher running.

 

.    Anyone have any new ideas.  Please read or skim this entire post before replying if you are able.  Thanks.

 



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Posted 08 December 2014 - 05:36 AM

Attached File  doc_display_pdfshu heater.pdf   41.63KB   7 downloads  Flow switch ?



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Posted 07 January 2015 - 11:02 PM

Good afternoon boys and girls, welcome to another episode of the continuing saga of the Bosch timer hangup.

 

.     When last we left our heroes, they were still plagued by their arch-nemisis, The Intermittent Problem.  By appearing only when our hero was fighting the scourge of poorly-operating appliances elsewhere, leaving the secret lair of his rival undetected, our hero was stymied again and again.

 

.     A search of the Bat Appliance Repair Database found that many other grime-fighters had battled similar situations, and none had posted a successful outcome.  Our latest posts had divulged that the prey of this appliance, the unsuspecting homeowner, had fallen into a false sense of security, as the problem had not surfaced for two years.  Now it was back again, and reportedly disrupting the otherwise peaceful metropolis about 80% of the time.

 

.     Meanwhile, at The Hall of Justice, other defenders of The Appliancian way, posited their theories, but to no avail.  Would evil triumph?  It seemed so as, the homeowner ordered a new dishwasher, feeling this one had served it useful life.  But wait!  Something held up the delivery, and while answering a different call of distress, our hero encountered a still more trustworthy informant: the homeowner's son, who may have a higher level of appliance awareness.

 

.    "This might not be important…" he stated.  

.     "We will leave no avenue unexplored," our hero replied, "no stone unturned, I will not rest until functionality has been restored!  What is it?!"  

.     "Well, last night it the timer hung up in the dry cycle."  

.     "Aha!  Not just at 3 o'clock or 7 o'clock or whatever it was that has been reported in every other forum for truth out there.  This has eliminated many of our theories, and there is only one possible likely explanation left!  Do you know what that is?!" he bellowed. 

.     "No."

.     "Neither do I.  But never mind that.  As long as the heart of freedom beats in chests of my fellow battlers for Demockery, we will prevail.  As long as even one idea can rattle through their feeble brains like a BB rolling around in an empty tuna fish can, we will triumph, for when we all work together, it is like, ummmm,  it is like, well, a lot of people working together.  Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  That's what makes America, America.  Without each other we might be forced to recognize our own stupidity; together, we have one thing you can never have alone: the ability to blame it on someone else."

.     "Who's with me?  Or who, at least, has a better theory for this still unsolved problem which abounds the internet forums?"



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Posted 10 January 2015 - 04:10 PM

OK, OK.  A more succinct writeup without the attempt at prose.

 

.     Two different Bosch Dishwashers with manual crank timers, not the electronic ones where the heater relay burns off a connection on the circuit board.

 

.     Both have the timer get stuck and not advance usually at somewhat precise points on the dial.  The one referred to on the last post had reportedly been stopping at around 4:00 and 7:00 on the dial.

 

.    Both have been very intermittent problems, and never happened when I was there.  The one discussed recently started happening 80% of the time reportedly, but he had ordered a new machine.

 

.    His son reports that now it even hangs up in the dry cycle, and heated all night.  Did it really heat or just stuck there?  I'm not certain.  New machine isn't coming in, so wanted to see if I could test something else out on my last chance at success on this.  I think that the failure to advance in the dry cycle rules out stewart's idea of the flow switch.  I've been thinking that inputs into the timer are telling it not to go, is it possibly the timer itself.

 

.    I'm interested in any and all theories.  Please, if you can, state why you are proposing what it part it is, rather than just listing the name of a possible part without reason.  I'm interested in any test I could do, if it is no willing to misbehave in my presence.

 

Thank you all,

Tim






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