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#1 binthere222

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 04:52 PM

This message regards computers that are physically ok but have various combinations of poor confuguration or trash buildup or viruses or trojans and other malware.

I am one of those persons who gets phoncalls all the time from friends asking me to come over for "a cup of coffee" or "free food" but what they really mean is "fix my computer because it is running slow and jamming or breaking down into blue screen mode constantly".

I AM NOT affiliated with either of the two products I will mention.

Many Many computers are trashed simply because they have had a buildup of crud etc.

Many products are now sold for cleanup and virus protection which are worthless.
I have applied the following two products to literally hundreds of PCs ,AFTER other protective/fixup software has been used, and these two have promptly found/fixed HUGE problems that the other (expensive) stuff has missed.

This is THE MOST VALUABLE advice I could give on any message board for people to keep their PCs in top shape. AND I have NEVER had a computer infected or overloaded after the following two have been installed.

1. "System Mechanic with Antivirus" by iolo technologies http://www.iolo.com/ This program hacks out all the trash and tunes up thousands of parameters in the complex windoes system. It also has a point and click driver update function for all equipment on your pc.

Download the fully functional 30 day trial
run the scans
turn on the watchdogs
set it up to rescan at least once a week.

You are halfway there.

2. "Spyware Doctor" by pc tools http://www.pctools.c...ctor/index/d/4/ THE MOST COMPLETE solution to any attack on your PC.

Download and run the FREE SCAN
See all the diseases that your PC has (and the other programs missed)
The free download will fix some stuff and give some protection.

After seeing the trials you will WANT TO buy the full versions.

You will be amazed at how much faster everything runs and how you will have no more breakdowns.

Hope this helps.
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Posted 28 January 2012 - 05:19 PM

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:51 PM

It's a whole 30 - 60 minutes to reinstall most any windows OS. Just tell them to save their crap before you get there and have any thing they want installed ready. Clean format, reinstall. If they have a valid windows license sticker you can use any same version disc, paying attention if its OEM for OEM if need be. Done it a Hun times. No "free" software commercials needed.

Edited by Bullstok, 31 January 2012 - 11:26 PM.


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Posted 31 January 2012 - 11:58 PM

As a full-time computer tech, I tell my friends & relatives to buy Macs. And I warn them that if they buy PCs, and then need my help, that I'm going to charge them for it.

I'm happy to give my Mac-using friends & relatives free help, because experience has shown that they need far less help than my Windows-using clients.

I see viruses on Windows all the time, but I haven't run across a virus on a Mac since the nineties.

For Windows users, I strongly recommend Microsoft Security Essentials, which is free and doesn't slow down the system like some other anti-malware apps do.

FWIW, I agree with the recommendation for Spyware Doctor.
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 07:04 PM

And I warn them that if they buy PCs, and then need my help, that I'm going to charge them for it.


I should adopt this for all of my friend's & relative's crap. Sadly though, I would be screwed the next time I have a "let's roof my house" party...

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 03:38 PM

SteveKleinh: A Mac can be hacked in less than 5 seconds.
http://9to5mac.com/2...n-five-seconds/
The reason they are less frequently hacked is because so few losers own them that it's not as profitable for hackers.

It's like selling insurqance. If you are offer either Podunk Kansas population 64 (Apple) for an exclusive territory to sell or New York City population, approx. 9 MILLION, (Microsoft) which are you going to choose. The funny thing is that cleaning a PC is quick sweet and easy. The reason the get infected is because the end user is an idiot not because they a "susceptible."

You are right about MSSE, but better advice to people is the advise Nancy Reagan gave, "Just say no." When some idiot website asks you to install software SAY NO.

EDIT: I'm not saying Windows is any better, I'm just saying htat fanboy crap about Apple is just that, fanboy crap. An OS is an OS. None are different in the end. If I want in your computer I AM gettingin your computer regardless what OS you are using.

Edited by DeathStalker, 22 April 2012 - 03:40 PM.


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Posted 22 April 2012 - 03:42 PM

Oh, and I call the OP's post an unpaid Advert, but that's just me........... you don;t need to pay a damn thing to keep your computer virus free. ESPECIALLY if you are running a 64 bit sytem.

If you are running XP well then, good luck. There is a REASON it's been discontinued lol.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 04:13 PM

The best: Malwarebytes.com

Free. Removes viruses, trojans, anything and everything. If you want to purchase it so you can have it resident on your computer, it is very, very reasonable. I paid $24.95. I think it is up to $30 now. That is a one-time fee. Not per year. And it includes updates for free.

If you buy and install it, it is constantly surveiling your system. And you can set it up to do full scans on a regular basis. Plus, and what I really like about this company, is they have an online forum and people are constantly posting info about any new malwares that are out there.

I am operating now on Windows 7 64 bit. Prior to this on Windows Vista 32 bit (ugh). Three different times on Vista I got some damn thing that would high-jack and capture my Internet Explorer browser. MacAfee wanted $89 to remotely "take care of it" - that was in addition to the MacAfee program that came with the system and had already failed to prevent the browser highjack.

A friend copied malwarebytes onto a disc and ran it on my machine. It removed it. After the third time it happened, I purchased the program and have not had any problem since.

And whatever that browser highjacker was, it sure was going around, as I learned by reading the formums on the malwarebytes website.

And no, I do not work for them.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 08:42 PM

The reason [Macs] are less frequently hacked is because so few losers own them…


I'm glad to see you say that few losers own Macs!
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 08:48 PM

I should adopt this for all of my friend's & relative's crap…


If I were expecting free appliance repair, I'd be strongly inclined to buy whatever brand/model the repairer recommends.

I know what they'll say: "Oh, but that brand & model are so expensive!" And your reply should be, "Actually, the brand & model you want to buy only seems cheap because you'll expect me to provide free labor for the frequent repairs it will need. In other words, you want me to subsidize you!"

It isn't fair for them to ask you to subsidize their appliance purchases. Just tell them they'll only get free service if the buy the brands and models you recommend.
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Posted 18 October 2012 - 08:19 PM

I'm glad to see you say that few losers own Macs!


And this is what passes for intelligence among Apple users..........

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 07:24 AM

I see viruses on Windows all the time, but I haven't run across a virus on a Mac since the nineties.

For Windows users, I strongly recommend Microsoft Security Essentials, which is free and doesn't slow down the system like some other anti-malware apps do.


Hi Steve,

I recently bought a Windows notebook because I needed one to use a temperature data logger (all the loggers out there only work with Windows). I got a refurbished Lenovo running Windows 7 (32 bit) from Tigerdirect.com from less than $300. First Windows machine I've owned in 7 years!

Question is this: what's the biggest route of entry for viruses into a Windows machine? I usually think of Outlook Express email as the biggest vector but are there others? I only use this machine to set up my data loger and retrieve its data-- no surfing, no emails, etc. When I'm not using it, it's in sleep mode. How at-risk is this machine to viruses?

Thanks!

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 07:52 AM

Samurai, I'm by no means an expert in this field but if you are only using it run the data logger and maybe at the most connecting to the internet to keep Windows updated then very little to no worry.

If you don't even connect it to the internet and worry about keeping Windows up to date the the only possible way to get a virus would be by physical attack, (someone personally putting a virus onto the computer with a disk or USB thumb drive).
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Posted 19 October 2012 - 07:57 AM

Thanks, Willie. It does connect to my Wifi network when I wake it up to work with the data logger and so it does check for Windows updates at that time, which I always install. Don't know how vulnerable the machine is otherwise during those wake-up times and if it's worth the trouble of installing the Microsoft Security Essentials that Steve mentioned.

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 01:19 PM

Question is this: what's the biggest route of entry for viruses into a Windows machine?


These days, on a Windows 7 box, it's mostly trojan horses. People get tricked into downloading and running apps that pretend to be something useful or fun, but are actually malware.

It's hard to defend against, because trojan horses don't exploit security flaws in the OS; they exploit security naiveté in the user! (You can buy the strongest steel door and the most pick-proof lock in the world, but if you open up the door to strangers…)

no surfing, no emails, etc. When I'm not using it, it's in sleep mode. How at-risk is this machine to viruses?


Virtually no risk at all.

If you NEVER use it for browsing or email, and you never connect a USB drive to it, I'd say you can go without any security software.

Having said that, MSE is free, and relatively light-weight in terms of its impact on performance. So I don't think there's a downside to installing it.

Edited by steveklein, 19 October 2012 - 01:21 PM.

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 01:50 PM

How do you update your software? Most use the internet for updates.

The biggest route for virus entires is the good old torrent followed in second by drive by's to porn sites. Seems like most of the machines I clean have been to porn sites and since they either had no protection and contacted a driveby, or they downloaded a "player" to watch their vids or they used a bit torrent.

Like Steve said, MSSE is a great light weight AV and it's free. You might also want to download Winpatrol, http://www.winpatrol.com/

It's also free unless you wish to donate like folks here do for extra goodies.

The next biggest problem is unpatched programs like Java and failing to install Windows updates. Set those to automatic.

As for your Mac? It took less than 10 seconds to hack through a drive through in 2009 and at the last PWN2OWN contest, Safari was hacked, even the version that was one day old. Don't buy that fanboy crap that a mac can't be hacked. ANYTHING can be hacked. Anyone who says otherwise is misinformed or lying.

http://www.computerw...PWN2OWN_wins_5k

http://nakedsecurity...n-2011-results/

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 01:52 PM

Thanks, Steve! :thumbsup:

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 02:17 PM

The biggest route for virus entires is the good old torrent followed in second by drive by's to porn sites. Seems like most of the machines I clean have been to porn sites and since they either had no protection and contacted a driveby, or they downloaded a "player" to watch their vids or they used a bit torrent.

Like Steve said, MSSE is a great light weight AV and it's free. You might also want to download Winpatrol, http://www.winpatrol.com/

It's also free unless you wish to donate like folks here do for extra goodies.

The next biggest problem is unpatched programs like Java and failing to install Windows updates. Set those to automatic.


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Posted 19 October 2012 - 03:57 PM

The next biggest problem is unpatched programs like Java and failing to install Windows updates. Set those to automatic.


Very few apps or websites actually require Java. I removed it from my Mac roughly a year ago, and haven't missed it.

Don't buy that fanboy crap that a mac can't be hacked


I'm not a fanboy. I'm a full-time computer consultant who removes viruses from Windows machines almost daily, but hasn't seen a virus on a Mac in well over a decade.

You don't seem interested in citing the results of this year's pwn2own contest, so allow me to share them:

Pwn2Own 2012 has concluded with Chrome, Internet Explorer, and Firefox all being compromised. Apple’s Safari was the only browser to be left standing…


I never said a Mac can't be hacked. But I'm not aware of any Mac viruses or drive-by downloads that have spread in the wild. All the examples about which I've read have been from researchers and the pwn2own contests. (Last year there was some malware that exploited a flaw in Java, and managed to infect roughly 0.5% of all Macs, which is actually quite a lot. Apple no longer bundles Java with Mac, so that risk has been mitigated.)

If market share were the explanation, then one would expect the number of Mac viruses go to up as Mac market share goes up. But the opposite has happened. Before Apple introduced OS X, there were roughly 65 known examples of Mac malware. Since then Mac market share has tripled, but Mac malware has dwindled to almost nothing. (Excluding trojans, it's in the single digits!)

​Your argument also doesn't explain the Witty Worm, a nasty bit of malware that targeted an vulnerable population of only 12,000 computers. If such a small group of computers attracted a hacker, then surely the roughly 70 million Macs currently in use should invite attack.

Edited by steveklein, 19 October 2012 - 04:04 PM.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 11:09 AM

Good so Apple FINALLY for this time period, secured it's browser. We'll see how long it lasts.

So what do you use instead of JAVA? On my Ipad I daily recieved the "need Java to veiw this website" message. It's a pain in the butt. I don't like Java as it is a huge gateway for malware.

I'm not a "computer consultant" I'm a malware fighter. It's all I do. Remove malware and secure computers. All computers. I'm glad you haven't seen anything on a Mac for decades, my experiences differ. I see them on Mac's PC's and Linux boxes (all versions of linux). I own (and build) PC's, and Linux machines, I also have the overpriced Apple stuff. phone, Ipod, Ipad, MacBook something. I still maintain that if someone wants in your computer they will get into your computer. I would suggest that you DON'T challenge Anonymous lol with that nonsense, some of them would do it just to shut you up.

Have a great day. I'm done with you. ANYONE who thinks they know all there is about computers and malware is by definition wrong.




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