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DaveKanata

MayTag DE8200 Dryer rebuilld & frustrations

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Decided to service our 20 year old Dependable Maytag Dryer.

It was making noise, esp. during the winter months during startup.

Parts replaced included:

Dryer blower ==> http://www.repairclinic.com/PartDetail/Blower-Wheel/Y303836/1245880?modelNumber=DE8200

Dryer tumbler wheels ==> http://www.repairclinic.com/PartDetail/Drum-Roller/12001541/400518?modelNumber=DE8200

& shafts ==> http://www.repairclinic.com/PartDetail/Drum-Roller-Axle/63129480/1480353?modelNumber=DE8200

Dryer belt (replaced before) ==> http://www.repairclinic.com/PartDetail/Drive-Belt/Y312959/1246110?modelNumber=DE8200

Dryer front glides (replaced before) ==> http://www.repairclinic.com/PartDetail/Drum-Slide-Glide-or-Pad/306508/1309?modelNumber=DE8200

Dryer idler ==> http://www.repairclinic.com/PartDetail/Idler-Pulley/63037050/1480349?modelNumber=DE8200

Dryer front seal, old one had been contaminated previously from the old glides cork.==> http://www.repairclinic.com/PartDetail/Felt-Seal/314820/1466?modelNumber=DE8200

Pretty straight forward, but we heard addional noise.

Removing the rear access plate seems to point to the motor, so I'm assuming bearings.

The new tumbler wheels are shedding some rubber flakes also, but their traking properly and installed fine with the new shafts. The FSP shafts had to be cleaned first with ISOProp as they are covered with a protective coating in the package.

Non of the above parts were installed with any additional lubrication also.

The only non-FSP parts installed were the tumbler roller, they were Supco's.

As a new Whirlpool / Maytag motor is almost $275 up here in Canada, does it make any sense to continue on with replacing it?

These machines have been great but I don't want to throw any more good money into a possibly lose-lose situation.

If I've missed anything about the repair outlined or you can comment about the tunbler wheels shedding rubber flakes, it would be greatly appreciated.

We really dread the quality of the newer machines out there now and Maytag, well, isn't Maytag anymore.

Cheers Dave

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Added parts links for future reference

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remove the Belt from the Motor and try turning the Motor Shaft by hand.

Does it turn easily, smoothly ?

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When you replaced the blower wheel you may have gotten it too tight to the blower housing.

Pull the blower forward until it stops against the C-clip on the motor shaft.

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Good point Jt, but there should be another snap ring on the shaft to do this job...

Maybe it is missing?

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Hi RegUS_PatOff,

I removed the belt from the rear access panel and the shaft turns smoothly with no real friction and same when powered. I have attached a sound file that highlights the shaft moving in and out by hand. It makes the same noise from the fan side or the belt side. The noise is from the belt side of the motor for sure. I would say travel is about 1/16"s of an inch front to back & vice versa.

Hi Jumptrout,

Checked the blower and it clears the housing fine, plenty of room. C clip and clamp double checked and fine.

The new tumbler wheel nearest the motor continues to lose rubber. Could the travel of the motor shaft cause the roller to "skid" on the dryer drum. The rubber comming off is in flakes or small rough pieces the size of a pen tip.

Had the drum out again. The new felt has seated nicely. The tumbler wheels and idler spin freely.

I'm at a loss, but have to assume there shouldn't be and lay in the motor shaft.

All comments welcome.

Thanks for the parts reference also......

Cheers Dave

dryer motor shaft.mp3

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post YouTube video of noisy Dryer running ...

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Hi RegUS_PatOff,

As requested:

There is a small load drying in the dryer but the ticking \ scratching \ rattling noise is apparent also.

Cheers Dave

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Remove the coins from the baffles and re-post the sounds.

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try it again with an empty load

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Remove the coins from the baffles and re-post the sounds.

I think Master jt done gave that'n the smack down.

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Remove the coins from the baffles and re-post the sounds.

Hi Jumptrout, nothing in the baffles and they are on tight.

Cheers Dave

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try it again with an empty load

Hi RegUS_PatOff,

I'm posting two video's.

The first one is startup cold, no heat and the noise is still there but diminised

The second on is startup warming up. There is a thumping noise now and the smell of burning rubber after 45 seconds.

Looking at the back of the open back plate, I see that the tumbler roller is still shedding rubber.

I can tuen the drum by hand, no problem and no noise.

Totally at a loss now......

http://youtu.be/kN859L3ZBEY

http://youtu.be/5Xe6_tmrcJ8

Cheers Dave

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Hi Jumptrout, nothing in the baffles and they are on tight.

Cheers Dave

Yeah Buddy........I been smacked down. :fouetaa:

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Remove the front panel and run this puppy and look for your malfunction.

Lay on the floor with a flashlight to look at the drum roller while running.

Are they dragging on the shaft or turning freeley?

Do you see the drum bouncing antwhere?

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Remove the front panel and run this puppy and look for your malfunction.

Lay on the floor with a flashlight to look at the drum roller while running.

Are they dragging on the shaft or turning freeley?

Do you see the drum bouncing antwhere?

Hi Jumptrout,

Pulled the panel off and took some video.

Both tumbler wheels are turning fine, but I can only show the one. Both are shedding rubber with the one on motor side shedding the most.

The burning rubber smell may be from the flakes of wheel rubber now resting on the heater casing and I have to run the dryer disconnected from the vent currently.

The drum looks like it's running up and down but I'm wondering if it's out of round a bit. The reason I note this is that this dryer must have run on the glides cork base for some time before they got changed out the first time around.. The drum itself lost all the enamel at that point on the drum also. Could the drum have over heated at some point.

The clicking noise is still there but is drowned out with the cover off. It's coming from the end of the motor with the idler assy.

http://youtu.be/gqTnPrQ80DI

All help appreciated!

Cheers Dave

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run the Dryer with the Belt removed..

maybe in a no-heat cycle ..

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run the Dryer with the Belt removed..

maybe in a no-heat cycle ..

Hi RegUS_PatOff,

Belt removed at idler pulley

Exhaust vent hooked back up to minimize exhaust noise in the video

Motor seems to be running strong with no noise with the belt off

I also took some video of the rear access panel removed. If you look closely you will see the rubber pieces on the base and some rubber "fuzz" on the perimeter of the wheel near the wheel meets the plastic portion of the tumbler wheel. The old wheel removed had "fuzz" on it also but wasn't shedding inside the machine.

In the idler area, it almost looks like there is some interference of the idler arm and the motor mount base.

If required, I can take this dryer apart again and post piks of all the areas where the parts were changed and pictures of the condition of the drum .

Thanks again!

100%

Cheers Dave

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New drum rollers on new shafts should not shred.

What part of the roller is rubbing/shredding?

Also, and I stand to be corrected, this drum should mount in either direction.

Turn the drum around and try it.

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New drum rollers on new shafts should not shred.

What part of the roller is rubbing/shredding?

Also, and I stand to be corrected, this drum should mount in either direction.

Turn the drum around and try it.

Hi Jumptrout,

The drum is symmetrical but I wanted to post some pic's first and having no luck.

My Media doesn't work nor Image as it's looking for and URL

Cheers Dave

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Pics

Pics 2

Note the new glides have some contamination / staining also from the old cork stain.

I had no luck trying to remove this with Mr. Clean ME, etc

I'm assuming if I reverse the drum, I should flip the teflon glides also

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It appears from your picture of the glides that you installed them backwards. The longer lip side shouldn't be tucked under the felt seal. Take them out flip them over and turn 180 degrees so the longer lip will be pointing to the back of the dryer, (making the edge of the glide almost even with the front drum bulkhead edge).

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It appears from your picture of the glides that you installed them backwards. The longer lip side shouldn't be tucked under the felt seal. Take them out flip them over and turn 180 degrees so the longer lip will be pointing to the back of the dryer, (making the edge of the glide almost even with the front drum bulkhead edge).

Hi Budget,

The picture isn't clear but the longer lip is outside the felt for sure.

I'm cleaning up the machine again today, including the drum of any rubber debris.

I'm going to flip the glides also so the clean teflon side runs under the enameled lip of the drum.

My apprentice & better half will help me assemble all this evening with the drum reversed.

Trials tomorrow will determine if a new machine will be required.

Cheers Dave

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New drum rollers on new shafts should not shred.

What part of the roller is rubbing/shredding?

Also, and I stand to be corrected, this drum should mount in either direction.

Turn the drum around and try it.

Hi Jumptrout,

Reversed the drum last night.

Took the tumbler wheels off and cleaned everything again with IsoProp. (not the rubber)

Took the Idler Wheel off again and cleaned shaft with IsoProp. Put a drop of 3&1 oil on shaft and point where it connects with motor mount. I know this is not recommended.

Ran two loads with no noise whatsoever, rattling, scratching and thumping gone. Awesome!

Motor is quiet and strong running.

Started the dryer this morning and some thumping is back with a rubbing rubber noise, either belt or wheels or both.

Tumbler wheels are still shedding some rubber flakes.

I noticed a thread or two now on one of the running edges of the belt around the drum putting it back together last night.

I'm really leaning towards a defective / worn out idler are assembly, bushings etc. It moves side to side a lot. Would appreciate a comment about this observation. It would also be the last repair option for the least cost.

The dryer ran on the glide corks for at least 3 ~ 4 years so I'm wondering if the chassis isn't true anymore also......

Video attached showing the dryer running this morning.

Cheers Dave

http://youtu.be/Y6fOUCfkUIM

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Do you have the belt installed correctly with the flat side against the drum and the belt inside the belt guide on the pulley?

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Do you have the belt installed correctly with the flat side against the drum and the belt inside the belt guide on the pulley?

Hi Jumptrout,

Yes.

My background is electrician and I used to repair the odd appliance when I was an apprentice back in the early seventies......

I only fear the re & re of washer transmissions :-)

As I noted to my wife last night, this repair should have been easy & painless.

Cheers Dave

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