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Frigidaire stack washer FEX831CS0

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#1 Patricio

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 05:52 PM

This washer has been roaring in spin cycle. Customer says unit started smoking & quit running. Examines unit belt has been burning. transmission has clunk in it when I rotate it. How does this tranny work? Put unit in spin cycle without water, motor turns but very loud roar comes from unit somewhere. Sounds like bearing shot. Not sure how to dismantle. Can I just replace bearing or do I have to install new transmission?

All replies greatly appreciated. Also are there any posts describing how to disassemble tranny & basket? Is it worth repairing?
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Posted 25 October 2012 - 06:06 PM

Ouch! sounds like the main tub bearing is shot. It will be a major teardown to replace the tub bearing and seal and a major pain in the neck because it has the dryer stacked on it. I would charge $350-$400 for this job.


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Posted 25 October 2012 - 08:32 PM

Actually isn't that bad - this is a one piece unit, washer is serviced by disconnecting springs and rolling tubs/support out the front - Parts and manual to follow: http://appliantology...laundry +centre

 

http://www.repaircli...umber=FEX831CS0

 


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Posted 25 October 2012 - 08:41 PM

Some insight here: http://appliantology...l-417-97962701/

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 11:03 AM

This link, 27in Laundry Centers Gas and Electric (5995381885), is broke. Can it be fixed? I am going to give this thing a whirl, if not for the experience. Customer is willing to pay $400, before I posted topic. can probly get more after I explain the process involved (already did to some extent. If I can replace bearing parts & seals rather than Than complete transmission (cost $300) I would make most of the labor. Any more info is very appreciated. As usual want all my ducks lined up before scheduling. :thanks:
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Posted 26 October 2012 - 12:30 PM

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 04:34 PM

just be sure that the roaring sound isnt the bottom bearing on the tranny, the tub bearing wont make a roaring sound but when the seal leaks water gets into the bottom bearing and you can only get that with the tranny

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 11:00 PM

Actually the bottom bearing is the one I think that is roaring when I was examining the machine. I won't be able until sometime to get back to unit until sometime next week. Really want to replace the defective bearing, seals, & belt not the whole transmission.

Edited by Patricio, 26 October 2012 - 11:04 PM.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 01:42 AM

bottom bearing and you can only get that with the tranny


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Posted 27 October 2012 - 06:07 AM

Good chance that if the bottom bearing is roaring it is also not locking correctly, that is a one-way clutching bearing/only turns in one direction.

Quick test, try to spin the basket by hand, it should lock up solid in one direction and spin freely and quietly in the other.

If it spins in both directions and also could get a crunching noise then the lower one-way clutch bearing is bad and you will need to replace the complete transmission, a new transmission doesn't come with a new upper tub bushing or the main seal which will also need to be replaced. The transmission, (part# 134735700), alone is going to be around $200-$250 wholesale before any markup, cheapest I found was around $195 for a rebuilt.

I did an E-bay search for the transmission and came up with a part# 134780500 that appears to be the lower one-way bearing which isn't listed on any of the part break downs for these machines. You would have to press the old bearing off and new one back on, I've never attempted this and don't know how successful that would be.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 08:32 AM

Lower bearing ==> http://www.repaircli...4780500/1464864

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 08:57 AM

Does the lower bearing press out easy or do I need a bearing puller?
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 02:26 PM

Thanks Samurai, you just answered one of my questions as to why so many of the bearings and seals fail. MADE IN CHINA.
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 06:16 AM

Does the lower bearing press out easy or do I need a bearing puller?


You will definitely need to use a puller or press to remove and install, you don't really want to beat on it to remove/install it or you could damage other parts of the transmission.
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 11:23 PM

I am going to do the job, quoted $450. Will be a learning experiance but I have no reservations about the my ability to complete the repair. I told the customer about the job being a six pack difficulty. He will have 12 pack Dos Equis on ice. Good thing the customer only lives a mile from the house.

One more question...the one-way bearing. I take it that it goes one one way only & only turns one-way. Ordering the parts from RC in the morning.
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 11:34 PM

Yes, the bearing only allows the tub to move counterclockwise.
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Posted 30 October 2012 - 05:38 AM

I am going to do the job, quoted $450. Will be a learning experiance but I have no reservations about the my ability to complete the repair. I told the customer about the job being a six pack difficulty. He will have 12 pack Dos Equis on ice. Good thing the customer only lives a mile from the house.


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Posted 30 October 2012 - 06:35 AM

That will definitely be a good one to have a video of. I can only remember of one other time I've heard of anyone trying to replace just that lower bearing somewhere in these here forums.

Especially would be interesting to see the actually process of pressing the bearings on/off and what you set up to do that so as not to be pressing the input/output shafts of the transmission, (will probably have to get a metal pipe the correct diameter and length to go down over the complete upper shaft).

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 09:37 AM

I'll figgure something out, Have the ability to figure things out given the time. Probbly going to take the dryer off then bring the unit to the house to do the job. My wife has a camera, never used the video, & someone will have to tell me how to post a video, thank you.
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Posted 30 October 2012 - 06:59 PM

I can only remember of one other time I've heard of anyone trying to replace just that lower bearing somewhere in these here forums.


Was probably me - we tried to do that once, also decided to never try it again - was the old style bearing that had the external slinky spring and rubber boot. Was a long time ago so the memory is faint, you need to completely remove the transmission so you can clamp it in a vice upside down to work on it. i recall the bearing has an e-clip to remove and we chiselled the old bearing off (didn't care if we damaged the bearing) to install the new one we sanded up the mounting area on lower trans housing and sprayed it liberally with freon (different times) to cause a bit of "shrinkage" before installing the new one. A video or pictorial of this process would be great to see !
Note that you should also replace the upper tub bearing and seal at the same time.

If this is a newer style unit with the sealed bearing assembly, I'm not so sure you can pull that lower block from the bottom at least without some level of destruction - The block is pressed on with a plastic sleeve reminiscant of the GM U-joints. If you are able to pull this off, the upper dryer unit will likely require some service at the same time since they are the same age.

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