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Broan Trash Compactor design flaw?

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#1 dvmsteve

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 08:58 AM

I have a Broan trash compactor, model 15XESS, about 2.5 years old.  We've never been too happy with it.  It frequently tears the bags and leaks.  Taking the bags out is pretty messy, and now that I've taken it apart to repair it, there was a lot of corrosion inside.  It also has the problem that very frequently trash gets stuck above the ram/compactor plate.  The odor control mechanism doesn't function all that well.  That said, it sure is attractive in our kitchen!  And it does compact the trash quite well.  It was quite expensive, and worth fixing.

 

So... we came home from work one evening to find the motor running, and the granite countertop hot to the touch.  The ram was almost all the way down.  Had to unplug it to get the motor to stop.  I uninstalled it, and took the back off.  It sounded like it might be the upper limit switch.  Both limit switches were corroded, but tested OK.  I called the Broan tech support, and they were pretty helpful.  Suggested that it was a drive belt, and e-mailed me the service manual.

 

This thing has the motor on top, with a drive belt and two drive wheels (two screws) at the very top.  To get to these, it is necessary to take the cabinet completely apart.  You start with the electrical components, and just take everything apart.  Step one is to remove the bucket.  Uhhh... here's the problem.  The ram is stuck in the down position.  Other models I've seen have a drive screw nut easily accessible from the back which lets you manually raise or lower the ram.  This one does not have any way that I can see to manually raise the ram, and nothing in the service manual addresses this.

 

So, I proceeded to take everything else apart, in the hopes that I could somehow get the cabinet off the drive mechanism.  (Another problem found during this was that two of the screws holding the stabilizer plates on were completely corroded, and inaccessible due to the fact that I couldn't get the bucket out.)  With everything taken apart properly, I can see how the cabinet is supposed to tip forward, and then one can lift it off, tilting it forward then backward and wiggling it up and off.  But with the ram stuck down in the bucket, I can't move it like it needs to.

 

Catch 22 it looks like.  Anybody have any ideas?  There must be a way to manually get the ram up, or get the cabinet apart with it down.  If not, a major design flaw.  I'll call the tech guys at the company tomorrow.  It does look like he was right, and the belt is probably broken.  I tried to manually turn the drive wheels, but they are pretty inaccessible, and they don't move more than about 1/4 revolution, and there is a lot of torque required.  It looks like I would have to turn them about 300 revolutions to get the ram out of the bucket.

 

Thanks for any input,

Steve



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Posted 02 December 2012 - 11:33 PM

e-mailed me the service manual.

 

Can you post it in the Potluck Supper so we can see it as well ?


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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:34 AM

 And maybe post a few pics..........Spent over half an hour trying to find any info. on this unit and could not find anything, other than 'On Sale at"..........



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Posted 08 December 2012 - 10:56 AM

OK, I uploaded the service manual for all to see.

 

And, I have lots more info, having taken this thing apart down to the bare bones skeleton.  Also, I've had lots of communication with two of Broan-Nutone's knowledgeable and helpful tech support guys.

 

I called them last Monday, really just wanting advice on how to take the cabinet off the frame for access to the drive belt and drive wheels.  I thought there was a design flaw (can't get the cabinet off if you can't first get the bucket out; can't get the bucket out if the ram is down).  Well, there is/was a problem with my machine that they alerted me to, but it had nothing to do with that.

 

He asked for the serial #, and found that some units made in 2009 had a problem with the odor control discs.  Some had a problem with chlorine leaking out and causing corrosion inside the machine.  This makes sense because I had big problems with rusted parts in the right front corner, near where the odor control module is.

 

Anyway, the bottom line is that they're sending me a new machine, way out of warranty.  They wanted a receipt, of course, and photos showing the corrosion.  Once I sent them that, they sent a new one out to me.

 

And getting the cabinet off?  A royal pain in the @$$ to be sure (you have to take just about everything off and apart, made about impossible due to the corrosion) but I forgot 1/2 of one step, making it impossible.

 

Step two, right after the impossible in my case 'remove the bucket', is "2. Remove the door assembly, the (2) bottom door gasket retainers (see Cabinet, Door Assembly). "  I forgot the two little gasket retainers.  Once one of their techs walked me through it, I realized that this was the only thing still on the machine.  After removing them, the cabinet was able to be wiggled off. This revealed the partially shredded belt.  The belt cover screws were rusted on, but came off with some persuasion.

 

I had ordered a belt last week ($55, yuck) just in case, and now can either return it, or fix the machine and then give it to somebody.



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Posted 08 December 2012 - 11:03 AM

Oh, and forgive me for not acknowledging your effort to find info on this unit!  I was impressed that you spent that much time trying to dig up some info to help me.  Thank you very much!  Hopefully the service manual and/or my description will help somebody else down the line, and that's what these forums are all about.







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