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[gergrff]

I need some ideas about what to check on a Kenmore washer model # 110.4646250 that leaves the clothes wet - I don't  

know if it is not draining properly or not spinning properly.

Is there a service manual available for this unit?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

 

GG

[RegUS_PatOff]

110.4646250

Tech Sheet - 8540259.pdf

similar to models:

GHW7100RW0

LHW8000SQ0

[nickfixit]

Junk in the pump, check that first.

[gergrff]

Thanks for the help so far with the tech sheet and advice about checking the pump. I cleaned the pump out and still have the same problem.

 

I tried the express wash cycle and everything seemed O.K. except the spin did not really get fast until the last three or four minutes. Checked the clothes

     and decided they were too wet so I tried the drain and spin cycle. The machine did a lot of draining, but never turned the drum fast enough to get the

     clothes correct.

 

I tried the manual diagnostic test twice. Both times NO failure codes showed up.

 

Help!

[jb8103]

Your drain flow may not be as good as you think. Disconnect the pump and run spin. How now? If it does not spool right up without pump, listen for problems like maybe something dragging the basket, use your nose in case the motor is hot and on the brink of failure, you can smell that as well as feel the motor (not when when running!) for high temp.

 

PS Check for 120 volts at the plug.

Edited by jb8103, 11 February 2013 - 05:22 AM.

[RegUS_PatOff]

It won't fully Spin until all of the water is pumped out.

Check the Pump Impellers ...

Check the Drain system again ..

[gergrff]

I did another test load on the express cycle because this is what I normally use.

 

Whenever the machine got to the spin cycle, I stopped it and measured the residual water left before the spin. Exactly two cups came out of the machine.

I started the machine again so it would spin. The machine never did spin very fast. The machine then said clothes are done. I checked and of course they

     were too damp.

 

I decided to try the drain and spin cycle. The machine drained (actually at this point there was no water left to pump), but the pump was activated for quite

     a long time. The tub went at very slow speed clockwise and counterclockwise. Drained for what seemed like ten minutes or more, then started to spin.

     Machine never did spin fast. Once again, I measured the amound of residual water left at the end of the drain and spin cycle - which was 1-1/2 cups.

 

I need some more ideas. Is there a service manual available for this or a like model number?

 

Help again!

[jb8103]

I have this video of myself arguing with a fencepost. A cow wanders by in the background. My logic is devastating and my points are undeniable. The cow couldn't care less and the fencepost is still there, unaffected. I'd post the link but it's political. It was funny if I do say so myself.

Edited by jb8103, 12 February 2013 - 05:23 AM.

[gergrff]

jb8103: I felt the motor and it was not overly hot after operation. I did not smell any odd smells.

            Whenever you disconnect the pump the machine will not run, just displays blinking LED's

            Do you know how much, if any, residual water is left in the tub after a drain?

 

            Thanks for that bit of humor.

 

 

GG

[RegUS_PatOff]

try a Wash cycle with NO clothes ...

Does it complete the cycle ?

Does it Spin OK ?

Is there any water remaining in the Tub ?

[Comstock_Services]

OK I have no idea what you mean by residual water.

1. Water left in the tub, and down to the pump in the tub to pump hose and the drain hose going out?

 

2. Water not seen in the tub, but pumped out during the spin cycle?

 

I thought that you said, you have checked the drain pump, but on these front loaders, (in a drain/spin cycle) the pump should run for like 2-3 min then it should go into the tuble before the spin, then as it ramps up the pump should cut back on to drain the water form the clothes. It is possible to have a bad pump without throwing the LD code, or the numeric fault. As was suggested earlier check the pump again, and please explain what you mean by residual water.

Edited by Comstock_Services, 12 February 2013 - 12:01 PM.

[gergrff]

I am calling this Residual water - The water that comes out the clean-out hole for the pump.

 

I ran the machine with no clothes on the express cycle and the normal cycle.

    

The normal cycle did a 4.5 minute spin that seemed up to speed and the water that came out the pump clean out was again 2 cups.

 

The express cycle did a 4.5 minute spin that seemed up to speed and the water that came out the pump clean out was again 2 cups.

 

Is the pump supposed to get more water out and have less residual water. Is it possible for the cycle to SPIN possibly properly with no clothes and

     not spin properly with clothes in the tub?

 

Thanks for the help.

[Comstock_Services]

I am calling this Residual water - The water that comes out the clean-out hole for the pump.

 

I ran the machine with no clothes on the express cycle and the normal cycle.

    

The normal cycle did a 4.5 minute spin that seemed up to speed and the water that came out the pump clean out was again 2 cups.

 

The express cycle did a 4.5 minute spin that seemed up to speed and the water that came out the pump clean out was again 2 cups.

 

Is the pump supposed to get more water out and have less residual water. Is it possible for the cycle to SPIN possibly properly with no clothes and

     not spin properly with clothes in the tub?

 

Thanks for the help.

 Residual water, 2 cups isn't a lot and wouldn't stop a spin in my knowledge.

 

Yes with out clothes it can spin just fine, but when you add a load it has to balance the clothes before it can spin them properly.

[gergrff]

I can appreciate that the machine will spin without clothes and maybe not do as well with clothes.

 

The machine has been used the same way, with same amout of clothes and there were no problems for approximately six years - SO something is

     causing a problem.

 

HELP!

[Samurai Appliance Repair Man]

It's still not clear to me from the foregoing discussion whether we have an insufficient pumpout problem or a failure to reach high speed spin problem.  

 

Use the tech sheet that was posted for you to go into manual test mode (page 9).  Does the machine do maximum spin in manual test mode?

[gergrff]

I tried three times to place the machine in manual test mode and it would not cooperate. The procedure is pretty easy - so I do not have any idea why it will

     not go into the test mode.

 

I also tried to see if the machine would give me some fault code(s) - it would not do this either.

 

Thanks for the response, I really need help.

[Samurai Appliance Repair Man]

I tried three times to place the machine in manual test mode and it would not cooperate. The procedure is pretty easy - so I do not have any idea why it will

     not go into the test mode.

 

Describe the procedure you are using to get into manual test mode.  

 

This is step one-- if you can't get into manual test mode, there isn't much we're going to be able to do to help you.  

[Comstock_Services]

Sorry Boss, thanks for asking the Magic Question.

[gergrff]

The procedure I used to initiate the Manual Diagnostic Test is

 

Washer empty, control off, door closed

 

I held the "start" button 4 seconds and released for 4 seconds, held the start button for 4 seconds and released for 4 seconds; held the start button for

4 seconds and released for 4 seconds.

 

Nothing happened, so I pressed the start button to advance to the next failure code and nothing.

 

I tried this procedure three times.

 

 

GG

[RegUS_PatOff]

... I held the "start" button 4 seconds and released for 4 seconds,
... held the start button for 4 seconds and released for 4 seconds;
... held the start button for 4 seconds and released for 4 seconds.

should be (4 times) from the tech sheet: