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Dishwasher Clip Broken - Replace or Duct Tape Repair?

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#21 Samurai Appliance Repair Man

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 09:00 AM

Vinegar and rinse aid are not interchangeable.  Don't use the vinegar when you're doing a regular wash, just use it occasionally to demineralize the dishwasher.  Rinse aid works by breaking down the surface tension of water, in effect, making it "wetter."  This does a couple things: improves the cleaning action of the detergent by allowing it to penetrate the soils better and sheets the water on the dishes so it dries better.  

 

It's too early to draw any conclusions about the suggestions offered because we haven't given it a full shot.  Brother Spanner's point is a good one: the test isn't really complete unless you're using rinse aid, which I hadn't mentioned before.  Rinse aid is not an option in today's weenie dishwashers, read this:  http://fixitnow.com/...ys-dishwashers/



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Posted 19 June 2013 - 09:42 AM

... More than the usual silverware has stuff on it and the plates seem to have a film.

 It's not visible on most of the dishes but it is something I can feel.

Is the DishWasher filling with enough water ?

(and Draining good after Wash) ?


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 10:44 AM

Is the DishWasher filling with enough water ?

(and Draining good after Wash) ?

How can I check this? There is no water in the washer after the cycle is done so I assume draining is fine, right?

 

I have never used a rinse aid in my life - just the little bit of vinegar in the top rack.  So I guess I am just really confused as to why now it is worse when all I have changed is the not rinsing the dishes and increasing the water temp by using the sanitation cycle.

 

I did, by the way, check the fine filter again just now and there is still gook / fine medium brown particles visible on the other side of the screen and there is also some white residue which is something I haven't seen before.  So if I used the citric acid to clean the whole thing out and using the sanicycle and not rinsing is supposed to get that stuff out of there, why is it still there and why is there some new deposit as well?

This is all super frustrating since this is a top of the line GE.  We replaced our old one since they had a manufacturers problem and it was a repair or replace option and we thought it was the right thing to get the newbie a few years ago.  Now I am thinking it wasn't.

I really try not to use chemicals in our house so it is super frustrating to have to add more and more chemicals that gunk up the environment just to get my dishes clean and makes me just want to trash the machine and get another cabinet.

I personally am one of the "culprits" but vinegar as a dishwasher rinse aid is all over the internet.  I mean I am a "culprit" b/c I have a health and frugality blog and I shared that same solution w/ my readers awhile ago.  

End rant---but this is getting really frustrating.  I appreciate any ongoing help you all can give. Thank you.



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Posted 19 June 2013 - 11:04 AM

 

I personally am one of the "culprits" but vinegar as a dishwasher rinse aid is all over the internet.  I mean I am a "culprit" b/c I have a health and frugality blog and I shared that same solution w/ my readers awhile ago.  
 

 

 

The Internet is full of mis-informed mythology.  That's why there are sites like snopes.com to dispel them.  I can tell you for a scientific fact that vinegar and rinse aid do completely different chemistry in your dishwasher.  They each have their place but they are not interchangeable-- one does not substitute for the other.   



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Posted 19 June 2013 - 11:23 AM

OK - so here is a natural rinse aid I just found.  Should this work?  Looks like from the reviews it does.  Aqua (water), ppg-4-laureth-8 and ceteareth-25 (plant-containing cleaning agent), citric acid (water softener). Trace materials are commonly present on cleaning product ingredients. No phosphates. This product is free & clear of dyes, fragrances & making agents

 

here is another one:

 

Water, ethyl hexyl glucoside (plant-based surfactant), urea (mineral spot-remover), phenoxyethanol (preservative), citrus limon (lemon) peel oil, methylisothiazolinone (preservative).

 
 
 
 


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 11:34 AM

Okay, this is my last attempt to make sense to you; if I fail, then I'll gracefully bow out like Fred Astaire and let someone else try.  

 

If we're trying to figure out why you're having poor washing results in your dishwasher, doesn't it make sense to start with a chemistry that is proven to work both in laboratories and in the field?  If that makes sense, then let's stop messing around with unknown products and start with a known-good configuration of chemicals.  I don't know anything about the products you listed, I've not seen any lab data or test results, nor do I have any personal or professional experience with them.  I DO know about Rinse Aid, real Rinse Aid, this stuff.  It works as it is designed to work.  Will it solve all your problems and cure Lyme's disease?  Unlikely.  But it is a necessary component of the chemical configuration you need to implement just so we can eliminate chemistry from the equation and see if we're sealing with some other kind of issue.  

 

And I'm spent. 

 

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 11:36 AM

I just looked up your model and notice this has the automatic dispense system. Don't this the wrong way, but you seem to maybe experiment with different kind of NATURAL detergents, while they are environmentally safe the usually have poor results. If you have tried using many of these different detergents you could have gunked up the dispenser. See this notice from GE.
https://www.dropbox....ense System.pdf

Also see this notice from GE discussing the use of Posphate free detergents and the resulting film deposits.
https://www.dropbox.... detergents.pdf
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Posted 19 June 2013 - 11:40 AM

Excellent tech bulletins, Brother Spanner!  Thanks for posting those!  

 

As for natural dishwashing methods, this is our personal favorite, saves water, too!  

 

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 12:56 PM

Hey there.  

First of all, very funny photo :).

 

I am sorry to be asking so much and I really ask that you would stick with me.  First of all, I really appreciate the help.  And secondly, my blog has a really good following (almost 400,000 page views per month) and so I would love to be able to recommend a place for my readers to go, if it would make sense, for help with appliances.  So I kindly ask that you stick with me.  

I just noticed that the washer tabs that I have are the Finish Powerball tabs.  So apparently they have the rinse aid in them already.  Do you not consider that to be sufficient?  Also, to reply to "Spanner", I don't put detergent in the liquid dispenser area (of course, since I am using the tabs) so that issue of the dispenser clogging is not my problem.

If you have thoughts about the rinse aid I would appreciate it.

 

If you mean by "spent" that you would prefer I not comment or use your forum anymore, then let me know.  Thanks again.



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Posted 19 June 2013 - 01:29 PM

Spent. Meaning we need to make sure we're getting the chemistry of the dishwasher out of the way to eliminate that problem and see if there are other issues.

Rinse aid included with the detergent softens the water during the wash portion of the cycle only and is not a substitute for Rinse Aid that needs to be added to the proper rinse aid dispenser on the dishwasher.
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Posted 19 June 2013 - 01:35 PM

We use a variety of detergents. I have used Biokleen, Tropical Traditions, but mostly Finish Power Tabs as I have about given up on natural kinds.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 01:36 PM

"And I'm spent," you've never seen the Austin Powers movies? You need to get out more. Maybe Brother Reginald will post the appropriate Youtube clip. I'm on my phone or else I would do it.

The rinse aid in the power ball does not replace the rinseaid in the dispenser. For one thing, it's long gone by the time the rinse aid is needed for the dry cycle.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 01:40 PM

Thx for the explanation :).  I've used Biokleen, Tropical Traditions, Trader Joes and Finish.  And one small box of Ecover.  I've put them in the little "one use" powder dispenser area.



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Posted 19 June 2013 - 03:21 PM

I'll try to explain of few of the results of filming because it's not caused by the dishwasher itself.  Filming is a result of minerals being left behind on the dishes when the water is taken off the dishes.

 

Some Causes:

Poor quality detergent.  Which you have used prior, and used for long periods of time may have built up it the machine a lot of residue.  When you ran cleaner through the unit it may have loosened up that residue therefore making the next wash leave it on the dishes.  Test by running the DW for about 30 minutes and open the door and check the quality of the water (while you're in there test the temperature).  If the water is cloudy you have soap buildup in the unit.  Rerun cleaner through it.

 

Not using a rinse agent.  Rinse Aid takes the surface pressure out of water that way the water sheets off smoothly taking minerals with it and also aids in the drying process.  Must use it.

 

Very rare.  But Flash Drying.  The water evaporates off of the dishes instead of sheeting off.  If this occurs the minerals are left behind.  Solution, turn off heated dry.

 

Rinsing with dirty water.  If wash water it draining back into the dishwasher then it is rinsing with dirty water.  Very unlikely or you would be noticing water in the bottom when the cycle was over.

 

Overall recommended solution.

 

Run Glisten through the unit again.

Next wash cycle use a normal wash>high temp option>no heated dry option.

Use Fresh Finish Quantum and a rinse agent.

 

If results are not good test your water hardness at the sink.  You may need to use a dishwasher additive suck as Lemi-Shine original.  It's an additive I've had very good results with when in hard water conditions.  You add it to the main wash cup of the dispenser and just put the Finish Quantum tab in the bottom.  

 

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 05:18 PM

A most excellent and erudite compendium for fixing dishwasher filming problems, Brother Spanner!   :thumbsup:

 

Back at my desktop now and can post the classic Austin Powers scene and source material for "And I'm spent."  

 



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 06:00 PM

Hi Mom!  How are things going with your dishwasher results?



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 07:21 PM

Hey.  Not good.  I bought my new parts and a rep told me to try to remove the coarse filter so I did try.  I wasn't able to take it out but the rep said to try to get under it to get the icky stuff out.  Now it won't go back in - and seems a little misshapen.  Sigh.  So it looks like I am now going to have to figure out how to get the dishwasher out of the wall and get a new coarse filter.  (part #502 on the diagram).  So no dishes are getting washed right now 'cept by hand.  Thx for checking in.  I am in a holding pattern now. If you have any thoughts I would love them.







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