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Kenmore series 70. Noise problem and agitator not working right.


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#1 Lurker_bpack1966_*

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Posted 24 May 2005 - 09:58 AM

Hello all,  I was wondering if some of you gurus out there could enlighten me to what may be the problem with my clothes washer.  I have a Old (13 or so years) Kenmore series 70 direct drive washer. I can't find the serial number on it. Under the lid is says Stylemaster 909483, but from looking at a parts lookup...that doesn't match up to any in the system...so i'm assuming its another number.  Ok, the problem I have is that about a week ago..during the agitation phase, the washer started making alot of noise. A squeaking noise and the agitator, looks like it catches for a solid spin and then it doesn't turn hardly at all for one to two "jerks" then it catches again and spins.  I sounds like the squeal is coming from underneath. The noise would only happen during the wash phase.  It doesn't make that sound during spin.

I also have a question about two "nails" on the bottom.  It looks like they were once pushed up thru the bottom of the brackets and held in place with a cotter pin. Now they're down into a little "basket" and the cotter pins look like they're missing, any idea what those are for?  Since they've fell down and are in the basket, could this be the problem?


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Posted 24 May 2005 - 10:24 AM

Open you lid about half way and the model number tag will be on the washer below the lid.  I do not know what you are referring to about "cotter pins things" falling into a little basket.  Please post the model number.  The agitator dogs could be worn not letting the top spin to the right, this will make a grinding noise.  You could have something under the agitator rubbing.  But the referrence to pins in a cup do not make sense unless you are referring to the 3 shipping pins in the plastic pin holders down below on the base of the washer under the tub???   These were shipping pins and should be removed.
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Posted 24 May 2005 - 10:43 AM

Ok, part number is 110-82873120. I've got the motor off now and looking at the coupling. Also...those pins are shipping pins.  they drop down in a little plastic catch...i guess its to keep the tub in place during shipping.   Thanks for help though..now if i can get the noise figured out.

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Posted 24 May 2005 - 10:57 AM

You could have a coupler going bad not letting it agitate or spin, or could have a transmission going bad.  Be sure to see if the top part of the agitator goes to the right only, if it will turn both ways your dogs are gone inside the agitator.
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Posted 24 May 2005 - 11:59 AM

Ok, coupler looks ok. the dogs are the clips that swing out and grab the agitator...right? Before taking apart the washer, i checked those. they seem to swing out ok and catch though.  I'm thinking the transmissions bad...since coupler looks ok...I did jumper the door switch and ran it on rinse..and the squeal was really bad then. If it has water in it.. will it apply pressure on the transmission enough so that it won't squeal that bad...and then squeal less with weight in it?

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Posted 24 May 2005 - 12:02 PM

I cannot think of any thing other than the transmission, any other suggestions out there???
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Posted 24 May 2005 - 12:58 PM

Ok, everything is back together.  Now the machine  has a high pitched squeal on rinse cycle where its spinning,  before it was a low squeal on agitation (which is gone). And  there is a  smell of some kind. Doesn't smell like something from electric.  Maybe friction.  Does the coupler need to be greased? Because it looked like it was dry.  Could the friction of it turning be causing the smell? Sounds like gremlins to me.

 


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Posted 24 May 2005 - 01:25 PM

Do not grease the coupler.  If the two white plastic 3 prong ends are not all of the way on the motor and transmission shafts or if the 6 prongs are not in the 6 holes right you will bind and make an awful noise.  Recheck to see if the couplers are onto the shafts all of the way
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Posted 24 May 2005 - 01:37 PM

Yes, they are.  Both plastic pieces are snug and tight on shafts. Can't tell where smell is coming from though.

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Posted 24 May 2005 - 01:46 PM

Your washer is haunted....will think on it and see if can come up with something else tomorrow.  Filter on the bottom of the spin basket rubbing on the tub if the drive block is worn letting the spin basket set too low??? 
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Posted 24 May 2005 - 02:06 PM

What does that look like?  Could the motor be doing this?

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Posted 24 May 2005 - 06:00 PM

The filter if you have one is clipped onto the bottom of the spin basket.  Yes the motor could do this but would do it not only in the rinse cycle, would do it after the wash in spin unless it is a different speed like PP or something.
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Posted 26 May 2005 - 10:04 AM

OK, I've completely replaced the coupler. Coupler teeth and ring all look fine now.    Agitator bottom spins but top won't. And I've got a bad  noise  and rumbling from motor area.  Took the pump off while running and its still making noise.  Along with smell.  Think transmission is out?  Can transmission make smell if its rubbing against something.? Could an underwire be causing that under the tub?

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Posted 26 May 2005 - 10:24 AM

Is this in agitate or spin.  If rumbling in motor area check to see is all 4 motor rubber mounting feet are on the motor and in the 4 holes on the mounting plate.  If not, will sure make a rumbling noise..  you can also take the motor off of the washer with the harness attached, jumper the lid switch, put your clad foot on the motor to keep it in the same room and turn the washer on in spin to see if the noise is from the motor itself, but I have not heard one of these do this. 
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Posted 26 May 2005 - 10:43 AM

Yep, motor is bad. Unplugged it. Took it off like you suggested. And laid it on the floor. After checking to see if machine was in an off positions. I reattached harness and replugged it back up.  Put foot on motor and turned the knob to agitate. The motor was rumbling and making all kinds of noise...and even gave a long screeching squeal...then went back to rumbling.  Should I say last rites? Is it better to get new motor...or just call it quits and get a new machine?  Its about 15 years old..and done a great job so far...only problem i've had with it was this one.  I bought dryer at same time...and about a year ago..I had to replace motor, thermostat..and element on it.(over a few months)..no problems since then though 

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Posted 26 May 2005 - 11:21 AM

That motor will not run in agitate unless the washer is full of water, is it full of water???  Hope the hoses are still on the water pump if so........   You could replace the motor or the whole washer, we cannot see the washer but these direct drives are the best on the market....
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Posted 26 May 2005 - 11:44 AM

I took the motor off and blew into the pressure hose.and put my thumb over the end...it closed the switch..and it ran that way. I think i'm just gonna buy a new one..by the time i put a motor in it...for 150.00 bucks...another 150 to 200 and i could have bought  a new one with all new parts..better than having something else go bad in a few months or year. 

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Posted 26 May 2005 - 12:59 PM

Probably best, since you said this is 15 years old.....sorry for all of the time you put into this, but will help you the next time.... ;)
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