Recommendation for a front load washer
Posted 05 April 2005 - 05:51 PM
Anyone has any comment on the reliability of these FL's.
Posted 14 April 2005 - 06:14 AM
Posted 06 June 2005 - 06:24 PM
As others have posted, the Staber removes stains that had been there for a while. My wife was flabbergasted.
It feels really good to be using only 1 oz of detergent per load- it is enough. Definitely use the HE detergent.
The energy use is also unbelievably low.
It is fairly quiet- more quiet than the old Frigidaire. Make sure you scrupulously level it.
The plastic top is cheesy--ish, but not a huge deal.
We are inside so we did not spring for the stainless steel frame bottom. No reason to, seemingly.
We got it from Lehmans, but I made the mistake of 'saving' money and picking it up myself, lugging it up the stairs, and installing. What a PITA. Get the post-paid delivered option.
We finally put the electrosux frigidaire out on the curb. It has a warning notice and the directions on how to replace the bearing, in case someone was tempted to pick it up before the city hauls it to the dump.
I will never buy another washer that doesn't have the reputation of a Staber.
Posted 07 June 2005 - 09:24 AM
where are you located? if i was anywhere near you, I'd pick up the washer and try to get it going again.
Posted 08 June 2005 - 05:37 PM
It is a horrible design with a fundamental weakness. Bearing seals should not leak on washers, and if they do, the bearings should be replaceable with 1-3 hours of labor.
Posted 08 June 2005 - 07:54 PM
For some reason, they just couldn't leave a good thing alone and had to go tinker with a proven design. All the bearing failures I've seen were from machines manufactured in the late 90's.
Fun fact to know and tell.
Posted 09 June 2005 - 10:51 AM
What is bugging me about the Staber is I'm not seeing anything that really backs up the durability claims. The Samurai doesn't own one himself, yet he's a dealer. Byron's comments at the thread give by the Samurai above certainly don't point to the kind of superior reliability claimed by Staber. Actually looking at a Staber requires a trip of over an hour for me (and I live in lower NY -- where everyone sells everything).
Also, the Staber's washtub is significantly smaller than the other h-axis machines (by 1/3). Sure, there's no dropping action (where clothes are picked up and dropped into the water, as most frontloaders do), but the clothes have to be able to move around a bit or the stuff in the middle won't get clean.
The Staber's motor is smaller than its competitors (1/2 hp, IIRC, versus 3/4 hp for the others), and it's a universal motor instead of an induction one, which means brushes will have to be replaced periodically. Finally, the top spin speed on the Staber is 700-750 rpm. generating 175-200 Gs, according to their materials. But the Staber competitors get 1000 rpm, at 300 Gs. We hang dry most of our clothes, so this translates into significantly reduced drying times for us. Staber says 700 rpm is fast enough (i.e., you can't wring any more water out), but 700 rpm is much closer to a v-axis machines 500-600 rpm than it is to the h-axis speeds. I KNOW how much drier h-axis clothes feel than than v-axis ones after a spin cycle. I really suspect 700 rpm isn't fast enough.
So, aside from the marketing literature, does anyone have any proof of increased reliability, especially that which can be deemed statistically significant, of the Staber?
Right now, I'm leaning toward the Speed Queen FL, based on my experience with the vended ones in our apartment. The door is pretty durable (much more so than the Duet's), and, after 9 months of use by about 15 families, neither of the two we have have shown even the slightest problem. (each machine gets 5-10 loads of laundry per day).
Thoughts? I'm not trying to be argumentative here, but rather to get some hard facts on the Staber.
Posted 09 June 2005 - 05:08 PM
But, darn it, my wife and I both really like it. The top loading feature is nice. The energy use and detergent use is very low. It isn't too loud. It cleans clothes super well, for whatever black juju reason, and does load sizes equivalent to our old Frigidaire 3.1 cu ft machine. And, since I intend to fix it myself when it needs work, well, it certainly has the right design for it. FWIW, I am a mechanically-inclined and an electrical engineer by training. If it breaks or leaks within three or five years, we will consider ourselves screwed.
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Posted 22 June 2006 - 09:34 AM
It just stopped. The door lock light is on, and it's full of water, but it does nothing. The place I bought it at (The Brick) is going to replace it, as our local fixer is on vacation until July 4th.
Not impressed, so far!
Posted 29 August 2006 - 09:17 AM
You mentioned parting out the Frigidaire for the the motor control board/inner stainless tub. How much do these used pieces generally go for and is there anything else of value I should remove before I put it out at the curb
Thank you much - first time post, many many views Master Sensai
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