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#21 maryloucb

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 11:44 AM

After replacing the brushes I ran a few loads and it seemed to have some issues with draining.  It drains, but not all the way, and then it won't spin.  If I put it back on the drain cycle it drains more fully and then it spins just fine.  I'm guessing that this is a pump issue, or else maybe an obstruction in the outlet hose?  Any suggestions?

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 03:42 PM

I presume you have checked the pump cleanout? (I had to ask.) OK, then here's what I would do. First, I'd just set it pump out and then check the discharge stream. If it's weak and anemic, then I see why it's not pumping out all the way. This would also tell me that the electrical control circuitry for the pump is working fine. Additionally, it tells me that the pump *motor* is fine, both electrically and mechanically, and is not involved in the problem. The pump *impeller*, however, is involved in the problem, either as a cause or an effect. It's important to distinguish which because it's the difference between buying a whole new pump (because you can't replace the impeller separately from the motor-- it's a unit kind of a deal) at significant cost (~$80?) or merely removing a wayward pair off panties.

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 01:54 AM

* Asko W600 Brushes Kicked *

Hello all.  This forum has given me most of the answers I need, but I wanted to confirm a couple things and inquire as to whether someone could share a service manual....  Heres the story, leaving aside rantings about how the W600, and partner dryer have been putting a hurt on my serenity:

* Washer had been making a lot of noise during spin/agitate cycles--sort of an agonized whirring at speed, with much louder difficult-to-describe sounds when changing directions during agitate. 

* (Un-?) related frequent occurence of washing ending at "C" ("Customer-Fixable Problem").  Despite ending at "C," I could find nothing really wrong with the clothes--they seem like they were washed properly.

* I clean the pin trap pretty regularly, and occaisionally find coin or two, but cannot connect cleaning the trap to making the "C" go away.  The "C" seems random.

* Got an "S" ("Service Tech Required") yesterday.  Washer will not spin or agitate, empty or full, but the pump seems to be working fine--it expells water.  The tank fills, too, as evidenced by the soaking wet pile of wash I had to carry to the laundromat.

* I took the back off and pulled the moter.  Belt is fine, drum makes no noise with belt removed.  Motor is loud (when spun by hand) with brushes connected; quieter but not silent with brushes removed. The brushes are bad--picture attached.

Questions

  • Is Asko/A.M. the best place to buy these?  I can't find them on RepairClinic
  • Is the motor supposed to be silent sans brushes--i.e., should I worry about a bearing in the motor?
  • Is it likely that the pretty loud noise I was hearing when the machine still worked could be made by brushes?
  • Could brushes be responsible for the "C" errors that occurred for a while before I got the "S"
  • Is there any way to get a Service Manual? :D
Thanks a lot for the help.

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#24 Samurai Appliance Repair Man

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 02:09 AM

RepairClinic does carry the brushes; you can get 'em ratcheer.  Though, if that's a picture of your current brushes, they don't look very worn.  But I've seen the brushes fail in other ways and the holsters themselves can fail.

The motor won't be absolutely quiet w/o the brushes.  The most common failure with these motors is with worn brushes.  I don't think I've ever seen one of these motors fail for some other reason, though I make no claims that my experience, vast and awesome as as it is, constitutes a comprehensive catalogue of component failure.  You're pretty safe replacing the brushes.  If, by some perverse event, it turns out there's something else wrong with the motor, you can return the brushes for a refund, less shipping.

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 05:34 AM

Much gratitude for the guidance and the manual.  I sent you an email regarding the manual:  I was hoping that someone might have a service tech's manual for the w600....  Maybe I'm imagining something that doesn't exist, but I thought there might be a manual that had schematics, etc. 

After reading The Samurai's post, I re-fitted my brushes to confirm bad contact.  The brush pictured on the right in the above photo has that pin-like portion sticking out, which causes the larger surface of the brush to be held about 3/32" away from direct contact with the rotor.  The pin thing does make contact.  The brush on the other side makes fine contact.

Does a second view of the brush photo (and the pin thing sticking out) make you think they could have been the problem?  I've already ordered a pair (by clicking your link) from RepairClinic for 2nd day delivery.

Many thanks.

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 06:35 AM

[user=16462]auntbeatch[/user] wrote:

I was hoping that someone might have a service tech's manual for the w600.... 

Samurai,

This site, and your service are absolutely smokin'.  I don't have the subtlety to express my enthusiasm in any other language than peasant's English.

Repair calls in my area mean several hundred dollars minimum, and I have no relationships or recommendations so it would be a gamble.  Because my laundry space (6th floor condo) is 26-1/2" wide, my replacement options are very limited.  Wanting to avoid top-loading stacked units for efficiency, aesthetic, quality, and resale reasons, I was looking at a $2000 investment in a miele or a bosch or something.

If the replacement brushes solve the problem, this site has saved me $1930.  My gal says we should go out to dinner, but I told her we'll have to do some wash first.

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 09:34 PM

[user=1]Samurai Appliance Repair Man[/user] wrote:

RepairClinic does carry the brushes; you can get 'em ratcheer. Though, if that's a picture of your current brushes, they don't look very worn.


Maybe you should take a second look at that picture of bad brushes. They are for sure bad, they only stick out at most maybe 1/4" to 1/2", the new ones stick out like 1" to 1 1/2" when new. And as "Auntbeatch" said, look at the internal button that has popped thru the front of the brush!!!!
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Posted 12 June 2007 - 09:13 AM

Even if the motor still worked with that little brushes left, I would already be looking for spares.
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Posted 12 June 2007 - 11:57 PM

I know the brushes are supposed to be longer than what's what's shown, but I what I couldn't tell was how much was left in the holster.  The button was a giveaway, though-- I was just seeing who was paying attention.  Good work, both of you!  :argh:

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 02:57 AM

New brushes came from RepairClinic this morning, and I've installed them.  Probably can't test until I finish the work I'm doing in the tiny closet where the washer & drier squeeze in.  Comparison pic below.

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 03:58 AM

[user=1]Samurai Appliance Repair Man[/user] wrote:

what I couldn't tell was how much was left in the holster.


LOL, :P as the brushes had been liberated from the depressing presence of the commutator, what was sticking out was all that the spring could push out... of course if the spring had gone flat, there could have been a considerable length inside the holster still...
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Posted 13 June 2007 - 11:39 AM

Ahh, but aren't we ASSuming an awful bit much from his pic, Master Keino?  For example, the pic only showed the front half of the brushes.  Wasn't it reasonable for me to ASSume that he had sawed off the back half and was holding the rest of the brush back? 

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No?  Oh, what the hell, it was worth a shot.  :runover:

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 07:58 PM

Doh, ya got me.
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Posted 25 October 2009 - 05:47 PM

Thanks, guys! This happened to my ten year old (eleven?) Asko W620 - new brushes worked like a charm, mine looked exactly like photos I found on this site. One issue was the left motor bolt and nut were frozen or something. A quick trip to the hardware store for a large/long handled socket wrench to rip that sucker loose - the satisfaction was worth the extra expense. Also, keeping the motor at the right location while tightening the nut required a short stack of books under the motor.

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 06:05 PM

Probably a stupid question, but what's that expression?

I know there are 2 brushes in the washer. But they're sold individually, right? So I need to order 2 of these: http://www.repaircli...64414&PPStack=1

Thanks!

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 08:11 PM

[user=57301]dmp614[/user] wrote:

... So I need to order 2 of these ...

or a reasonable facsimile thereof ... :)
 
are those the correct Brushes ?
 
do you have the Ceset Motor or the FHP Motor ?


let me know

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Posted 30 September 2010 - 02:21 AM

Uh... Made a bad assumption based on previous posts that there was only one possible brush. How do I determine which motor I have?

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Posted 30 September 2010 - 03:24 AM

[user=57301]dmp614[/user] wrote:

 How do I determine which motor I have?

I don't know which Model / Years uses which Motor.

It should have a Name Sticker on the Motor
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Posted 30 September 2010 - 03:31 AM

Thank you!

I actually just removed the front panel of the washer (far easier than expected) so I could actually see the brushes. Clearly Ceset upon inspection. Phew!

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Posted 30 September 2010 - 04:25 AM

you could buy then from some place in Australia for $ 80 /set, but they don't ship to the U.S.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140359576980

 

 

OR you could buy them ftom some place in the U.K. for $ 20 /set shipped to the U.S.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220675226708

 

compare the pictures / descriptions ..  :)

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