Maytag Performa overflows at spin cycle

[Davidhmd]

I have tried several things and been on another appliance forum, but still haven't isolated problem.

When load size is set to the highest level, As the machine begins the spin cycle, the tub is still completely full of water, the spin speed increases slowly and water starts overflowing through the overflow channel on the front side of the tub lid because the tub is still full, but centrifugal force causes spilling.  As tub speed gets faster, tub starts draining and tub does completely drain and it successfully completes spin cycle, except for the water that spills onto floor.

The motor, drum, and pump are all connected to the same belt, so unless it has some way to disengage the drum from that belt, the drum and pump always spin anytime the belt spins.  Pump doesn't seem to start draining tub until tub is spinning very fast.

I completely disassembled the pump and drain tubes.  All were clear.  Pump looks brand new inside.  No damage, clogs, gunk, etc.  I also thoroughly cleaned the tub basket and lid many months before this spin cycle spilling started.

I have checked and blown out the fill level tube twice.  Always seemed clear.  With water in tub, I disconnected from sensor end and blew out tube and heard bubbles.  I also blew into tube from tub end and felt pressure in the sensor.

Wondering if it's filling the tub too much during the wash and rinse cycles, but I don't know how high the water should be for a full load.

[johntech]

I would think the clutch is worn out and allowing high speed spin before enough water has drained out of the tub. You didn't post a model number so I'm guessing which machine you have but I belive the clutch on thoes performas are built into the transmission. You should be able to tilt the unit back, pop off the belt and turn the pulley on the transmission by hand in spin direction. It should turn several times before it starts turning the tub and when the tub starts turning you should feel the resistance increase.

[Davidhmd]

Thank u.  I'll check that out.  Model # PAV3300AWW

 

[sh2sh2]

Make sure the motor easily slides back and forth on the pivot plate 

[evaappliance]

Pumps are bad to fail on the peforma ( magic chef ) .  with the belt off , spin the pump by hand and see if it is hard to turn or feels (rough)  

[Hiroshi]

Only new transmissions will have a locked clutch, the clutch will only get weaker over time, so unless this machine recently got a replacement trans I would be looking at whether the water discharge is being slowed down... the water drain should lead spin... so watch the water exiting the hose and be sure it indeed drains insantly when the pump pulley starts turning and forcefully from start to finish...

Is there an extension on the drain hose? Is there a gagged lint filter on the end of the hose?

Plus, when you do Eva's drain pump check be sure to note if the impeller spins at a 1 to 1 ratio with the pulley, a stripped impeller is rare, but would possibly manifest itself like this...

Edited November 7, 2016 by Hiroshi

[Davidhmd]

Pump and drain working properly:

With belt off, pulley spins freely and pump blades rotate when pulley turns.  Opened pump and no clogs/problems inside.  Also checked drain hose and drain.  All clear.  No clogs or drain hose extensions.  Hose is all clear.  Also poured water into open drain and it drained quickly.  

Clutch check:

With belt off, I was only able to turn pulley about half turn before getting resistance and spinning the drum.

Does this mean the problem is probably in the clutch/transmission and therefore time to replace machine based on repair cost and age/quality of machine?

Thank you all for your help.

[Quick]

34 minutes ago, Davidhmd said:

With belt off, I was only able to turn pulley about half turn before getting resistance and spinning the drum.

Nah. you good there.

Are you sure the water is not backing up and out of your house drain?

Quick

[Davidhmd]

It is definitely not backing up at house drain.  To make sure, I watched it go through cycle, and just before it began the drain cycle I grabbed the house and held it at normal installed drain height over a bucket.  The washer still overflowed as it began the drain spin cycle.

[Davidhmd]

It is definitely not backing up at house drain.  To make sure, I watched it go through cycle, and just before it began the drain cycle I grabbed the hose and held it at normal installed drain height over a bucket.  The washer still overflowed as it began the drain spin cycle.

[Davidhmd]

I had previously concluded that it's not the pump bc I didn't see, hear, or feel any problems with it, when I checked it but could it still be pump?  Pump blades spin when pulley spins.  Pulley spins freely.  I even took pump apart and it all looked clean and new inside.

I just checked again for obstructions under basket and didn't find any but was surprised to find standing water in the hose attached to the basket.

[electro_doc]

I'm thinking it could be a bad belt.  They get worn out and don't grab the pump until it picks up speed and gets tighter.  I'd change the belt and make sure the motor is sliding freely on the mounting plate.

 

Doc

[evaappliance]

8 hours ago, electro_doc said:

I'm thinking it could be a bad belt.  They get worn out and don't grab the pump until it picks up speed and gets tighter.  I'd change the belt and make sure the motor is sliding freely on the mounting plate.

 

Doc

With the pump being good I agree with the doc ?

[Davidhmd]

I decided to watch it thru one more cycle, but this time I put washer on blocks, so I could see and hear underneath.  Pump is making bearing grinding noises.  When I checked pump before, I checked it by taking it off and spinning the pulley.  It felt and sounded fine then, but definitely sounds crunchy in use.  I am going to try replacing pump first.

[Davidhmd]

Ordered belt too.

[abaesemann]

Part number: WP21352320

Part number: WP35-6465

[evaappliance]

Hope that does the trick

[electro_doc]

that should definitely take care of it.  Good luck and let us know.

thanks

Doc 

[Davidhmd]

Pump and belt are on their way, but think I may have more problems.

Now, it won't spin at all.  Belt turns, and pump drains water (while making crunching bearing sound), but drum never spins at all during both drain and spin cycles.  The only change I made before this new symptom was to apply Oatey silicone grease to the motor slide plate.

[Quick]

OEM Part - Manufacturer #12002213

Quick

[Davidhmd]

I took off the transmission pulley and cleaned and checked it.  The large pulley ring and lower cam are all in good condition.  When I spin large transmission pulley ring in the spin direction, I can see the axle spin, but the drum still doesn't spin.

????

[Hiroshi]

You should be good, if the spin tub didn't spin, it would be impossible for it to sling water out of the tub...

[DanInKansas]

1 hour ago, Davidhmd said:

I took off the transmission pulley and cleaned and checked it.  The large pulley ring and lower cam are all in good condition.  When I spin large transmission pulley ring in the spin direction, I can see the axle spin, but the drum still doesn't spin.

????

As per Hiroshi up there ^, you're probably okay. Don't borrow trouble. You've got one diagnosis for the obvious problem. Chances are good when you fix that problem, everything will be fine. If not, tackle it from there. I have driven myself crazy worrying about "what if". Just control the controlables and leave the rest for the next day.

"Sufficient unto the morrow are the evils thereof."

[Quick]

40 minutes ago, DanInKansas said:

"Sufficient unto the morrow are the evils thereof."

Dirty drawers... L.O.L.

Quick

[Davidhmd]

Machine used to properly spin clothes dry, but would just spill water on floor.  This week, there is a new problem, it drains, but doesn't spin at all and clothes are soggy wet.  When I compared my thrust bearing to the new kit, mine is missing the plastic ring between the pulley and the machine.  It's completely melted away.  I'll order that too.