are there any plain jane top load washers being produced??

[plott hound]

been looking to buy a new old school top load washer to replace the 2 old washers ive been repairing for the past 15 years.is there anything being produced  with a simple timer and no circuit board?parts for my two old maytags are slowly dwindelling. thanks

[evaappliance]

Speed queen  lwn432sp. Customer code tv2000. 

[plott hound]

whoa,those suckers are expensive.here in canada they are branded under the name "Huebsch"

[evaappliance]

yep !  wish there were one cheaper but i'm afraid that is the only one with no computer at all .

[Josh Smith]

keep the old ones running or buy a used older one

[plott hound]

Thanks josh, also a good solution.

[L. Ron Hoover]

It's easy to assume that the old timer machines are better than the modern computer models but that's only because the timer or computer is the human interface.  The actual culprit is the doubling of the spin speed.  The addition of the computer to these machines is almost coincidental.

I live in an area where it never freezes, and decades ago, people took to putting washers and dryers outdoors.  The summer here is brutally hot and humid.  Many of these machines were exposed to direct sunlight and rain.  They did alright by most folks.  But the new "MVW" machines with computers don't fare well in these conditions.  The higher spin speeds either necessitated or invited shock absorbers, locking lids, electronic shifter, thinner baskets, etc.  (However it also simplified the transmission to where it is essentially just concentrically nested bearings.)  The shock absorbers typically wear out 2-3 times as fast as in a climate controlled environment.  The contacts in the lid locks corrode quickly.  Roughly 5 times as many failures for machines around 3-6 years old.  The shifters also seem to fail more often.  The thinner baskets can be a day 1 issue depending on how true they are, but when outdoors, they are more likely to run, banging loudly, for extended periods with bad shocks, because you get to ignore the noise.  Besides tweaking the basket, it often breaks the tub ring.  I've even seen a split tub.  (The least worst are the Frigidaires as long as they get no rain or UV.  They don't seem to care if they are indoors or out.)  To make matters worse, a set of shocks or a lid lock costs 5-10X as much as an old-style lid switch or Whirlpool clutch lining.  The computers however have the same failure rate indoors or out.  They fail down here most often from electrical surges.  Electromechanical timers however fail much quicker in high heat and humidity due to arcing.   So in this extreme environment, the old machines appear to be more cost effective, except for one thing.  You're gonna spend all your savings on energy drying them.  You'd have to line dry.  Then add in that the environment ruins the sheet metal.  When the top deck gets rusty your clothes turn orange.  The frames rust out, leg leveling mechs get frozen with rust.  In order to accurately compare the newer machines (to the old), I would want to run the spin cycle on low or medium for its entire life.  

[evaappliance]

8 hours ago, L. Ron Hoover said:

You're gonna spend all your savings on energy drying them

Doubtful  

[evaappliance]

8 hours ago, L. Ron Hoover said:

The actual culprit is the doubling of the spin speed

Speedqueen spins at 720 rpm , so what washer spins at 1440 rpm ?

[J5*]

19 minutes ago, evaappliance said:

Speedqueen spins at 720 rpm , so what washer spins at 1440 rpm ?

Front loaders 

fastest top load i know is f&p which does 1100 

[L. Ron Hoover]

On 4/5/2023 at 6:58 AM, evaappliance said:

Doubtful  

Don't take my word for it.  Do the math yourself.  Of course a lot of it depends of what one is paying for electricity.  Some places in the US are over 20 cents/KWh.  I find the cycle time to dry a load of jeans or towels is reduced by 15-20 minutes and the segment of the cycle that is eliminated is where the duty cycle of the heating element is pretty close to 100%.  Over time, coupled with the energy savings of the washer, it goes a long way to pay for your next set.

[L. Ron Hoover]

On 4/5/2023 at 7:02 AM, evaappliance said:

Speedqueen spins at 720 rpm , so what washer spins at 1440 rpm ?

They spin at approximately twice the speed as the models they replaced.  And when you figure in the increased basket diameter of a typical 4.2 basket vs. the old 3 footers, the centripetal force increases well beyond double.  

[J5*]

11 hours ago, L. Ron Hoover said:

Don't take my word for it.  Do the math yourself.  Of course a lot of it depends of what one is paying for electricity.  Some places in the US are over 20 cents/KWh.  I find the cycle time to dry a load of jeans or towels is reduced by 15-20 minutes and the segment of the cycle that is eliminated is where the duty cycle of the heating element is pretty close to 100%.  Over time, coupled with the energy savings of the washer, it goes a long way to pay for your next set.

Cheapest way to dry clothes is the sun 

i saw many years ago a clothes spin dryer that looked like a trashcan 

Spins at 3000rpm 

the idea is either clothes can be hung up to dry or reduce time in a dryer 

Found one 

https://reactual.com/home-and-garden/best-spin-dryer.html